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But but but (5.00 / 12) (#1)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:28:53 PM EST
...Obama has this thing locked up!  There's no plausible scenario under which Clinton gets enough delegates!

So why continue the scorched-earth attack on her record and character, again?  I haven't quite figured this out.  Once you have the nomination sewed up, isn't that a good time to bring out the Unity Schtick and start trying to win over her supporters?

It is truly surreal. (5.00 / 5) (#10)
by inclusiveheart on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:37:53 PM EST
She is considered more of an enemy than John McCain and anyone who tries to point out the additional dammage he could do to this country is accused of using "scare tactics".  The world is upside down again.

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No, actually (none / 0) (#159)
by A DC Wonk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:33:00 PM EST
according to Clinton -- Obama is more the enemy than McCain.  After all, according to her, only Clinton and McCain have passed the "threshold" of what it takes to be Commander in Chief.

Presumably her supporters believe her, and that, no doubt, contributes to such things as the following:

The new Gallup poll says that 19% of Obama supporters would vote for McCain over Hillary and a whopping 28% of Hillary supporters would abandon Obama for McCain.

Great.  Thanks.  We need more Roberts' and Alito's on the Supreme Court.

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Classic (5.00 / 9) (#168)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:38:13 PM EST
When Clinton supporters refuse to vote for Obama, it's because Hillary has tricked them into it.  When Obama supporters refuse to vote for Clinton, I suppose it's because they genuinely realize how evil she is, huh?

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not on point (none / 0) (#177)
by A DC Wonk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:44:38 PM EST
The point is that Obama and Hillary supporters ought to realize that McCain is the real enemy and 10 times worse than either Obama or Hillary.

A few weeks ago, about 20% of each supporters wouldn't support the other.

Now, after Clinton slamming Obama on, specifically, the issue that he's not ready to be Prez, we see that about 30% of Clinton's supporters won't support him.

This self destruction is a travesty

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Really? (5.00 / 4) (#214)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:13:31 PM EST
It couldn't have anything to do with, say, the Wright issue, which has made Obama more unattractive to a lot of people?  You have some way of knowing that Clinton's attacks on his readiness are the culprit?

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Seems to me she was asking Obama (5.00 / 2) (#209)
by nycstray on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:10:46 PM EST
to step up with his Credentials for CIC. She never said McCain was better, she issued a challenge.

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Woah (none / 0) (#196)
by Claw on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:58:21 PM EST
I condemn this!  I don't like negative campaigning on either side.  I guess I don't support "Obama blogs," but I think Obama supporters get lumped in.  I don't think that's fair.  And Wonk does have a point...the McCain endorsement was burning the village to save it.  I really didn't care for it.  I will condemn Obama if/when he decides to announce that he and McCain are fit to be CIC but Clinton is not.

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What will you do if Obama says both (none / 0) (#201)
by oculus on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:02:37 PM EST
he and McCain are fit to be Commander in Chief?

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If (none / 0) (#216)
by Claw on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:16:06 PM EST
he makes a comment like Hillary's I'll condemn it in no uncertain terms.  I'm guessing you have some Obama quote to throw at me that could be construed as similar to Clinton's.  Let's be clear: Clinton said that she and McCain had passed the commander in chief test but the jury was still out on Obama.  It's a ridiculous thing to say in a primary because it's a clear insinuation that she and McCain are ready, whereas Obama is not.  I don't like ultimatums, particularly when the ultimatum is "vote for me or my republican challenger, but certainly not for the front running democrat."
That said, we're O/T and I brought us here...I don't like the negative campaigning and casting your REPUBLICAN challenger in a more favorable light than the possible dem nominee is, to me, very negative.

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Here's the quote, per (5.00 / 1) (#224)
by oculus on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:31:18 PM EST
Chicago Tribune:

"I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold, . . ."

"I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said.



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Here's a quote from (none / 0) (#238)
by Claw on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:59:08 PM EST
Wolfson.  Per the LA Times:
 "We do not believe," he said, "that Sen. Obama has passed that key commander in chief test."

He also spoke about how McCain and Clinton had passed that test.

Now, I'm assuming that the "we" includes Sen. Clinton.  You have yet to provide me with anything remotely close to this kind of praise for the repub nominee from the Obama campaign.


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Link for the McCain endorsement? n/t (none / 0) (#211)
by nycstray on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:11:43 PM EST


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The fact that you already blame us for everything. (none / 0) (#219)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:18:24 PM EST
...kind of takes the sting out of that rebuke.

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they are scared that's why (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by nycvoter on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:39:52 PM EST
they don't have it locked up, they know she can still win and that's why they are running the scorched earth campaign

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just let the voters vote (5.00 / 4) (#55)
by nycvoter on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:57:26 PM EST
the vote could very well leave us about even in popular vote and within 1% in delegate difference, the super delegates have a specific purpose, as do primaries and caucuses in determining our nominee, there is no moral superiority among the three.  There is no less weight given to caucuses that represent the will of tens of thousands of voters versus primaries which often represent hundreds of thousands of voters, so why should those combined methods of electing the nominee be given greater weight than the super delegates.  This is the system we have and super delegates need to vote their conscience.  There's a long way between now and June and if Obama thought he didn't have a problem he would not be calling to wrap it up before everyone had voted.  We never know what the SDs will do


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Wait (none / 0) (#46)
by tek on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:52:20 PM EST
I thought I just read that she can only win by "destroying" Obama utterly.  And we all know she's supposed to be helping him win.

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what has she done to knee cap Obama (5.00 / 3) (#65)
by nycvoter on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:02:07 PM EST
that deserves this statement?  She does not think he is qualified to be President.  The media chooses to make it a "tonya harding" comparison and more people need to be disgusted with the media not HRC

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weird (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by Harley on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:06:08 PM EST
i remember when whining that it was all the media's fault was the GOP argument.  my how times change.

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Yeah (5.00 / 8) (#84)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:07:31 PM EST
And I also remember when pointing out media bias was the blogosphere argument.  Now they revel in every episode.

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Uh (5.00 / 8) (#124)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:20:11 PM EST
The issue here is the "Tonya Harding" smear that the media views as fair game, and that you seem to love as well.  Tell me, do you think the media would revel in reporting some anonymous comment suggesting that Obama is using an "OJ Simpson strategy"?

Claiming that the media has not had a pro-Obama bias throughout this process is quite laughable.  The fact that they reported on Wright doesn't mean you get to ignore all the other evidence.

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Please, go review Bob Somerby's (5.00 / 1) (#193)
by jawbone on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:55:57 PM EST
DailyHowler.com

If you believe the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) has not favored the GOPers, you could use some remedial reality reading.

If you were being sarcastic, my apologies.

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not qualified? (none / 0) (#164)
by A DC Wonk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:35:37 PM EST
She does not think he is qualified to be President.

Terrific.  So all her supporters should vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination.

Good bye Roe v Wade!  Hello 100-years of war, and torture, and continued evisceration of the Bill of Rights!  Justice Alito-clone, step right up!!

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Ha (5.00 / 9) (#68)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:03:23 PM EST
Amazing.  Someone smears Hillary by comparing her to Tonya Harding... and it's her fault for allowing the comparison to be made!  This is how the country has worked since 1992, there is literally nothing you're not allowed to say as long as you say it about someone named Clinton.

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Ok... you're joking, (5.00 / 2) (#174)
by suisser on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:43:06 PM EST
right?  

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Oh, really? (5.00 / 5) (#200)
by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:01:07 PM EST
Who recently brought up Monica Lewinsky's blue dress? Whose campaign surrogate labeled Sen. Clinton "the senator from Punjab"? Who is impugning whose integrity and character on a regular basis? Who is regularly accusing whom of racism? Which candidate is the one channeling Sgt. Schultz when questioned about past and present associations with controversial individuals previously escribed as personal mentors?

Obama's candidacy is at its core foundation a self-absorbed vanity project remarkably devoid of a moral center, rife with unbridled personal ambition and marked by the prodigious use of unctious, supercilious sanctimony. This has become, for me at least, an issue of the man's character, or lack thereof. I'm going to be extraordinarily careful with my vote in November, because I don't intend to replace George W. Bush with a Democratic version of the same.

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You bought into the Obama (5.00 / 1) (#218)
by nycstray on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:16:27 PM EST
campaigns latest "she'll do anything" line? I believe they first floated Tonya in Dec. BEFORE anything had gone down. So, what has she done in the past couple weeks that earns her the Tonya?

Now, which campaign went negative?

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Ummm (none / 0) (#71)
by Trickster on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:03:42 PM EST
Everybody starts at that level.  ABC News can call you "Tonya Harding-like" if they feel like it.

In theory, they're bound by this thing called ethics and probably shouldn't call one of the candidates in a political race something like that unless there's some reason to do so, but obviously that ain't stopping 'em.

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Obama and his campaign (5.00 / 3) (#40)
by kmblue on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:51:29 PM EST
aren't acting like winners.

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Neither side is (5.00 / 1) (#150)
by Molly Bloom on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:29:25 PM EST
As best I can tell, Wright is Obama's albatross and Tuzla is HRC's.

Tuzla will be used mercilessly. It feeds into the meme that the Clintons are liars and will say anything.

Wright- the problems that Wright present have been discussed ad nauseam.

If this election is about this nonsense, McCain wins. If it is about the economy and Iraq, then either Democrat can win (preferably with a unity ticket).  

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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I agree with Bill Clinton (none / 0) (#67)
by RalphB on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:03:08 PM EST
when he said if Hillary wins NC, she will be the nominee.  That's probably correct.

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What is this I am hearing (none / 0) (#119)
by riddlerandy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:17:55 PM EST
about Hillary participating in an unconstitutional primary in Michigan?

(Tongue in cheek)

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