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Who Wants A Candidate To Drop Out? 22% Say Clinton, 22% Say Obama | 112 comments (112 topical)

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I think this speaks volumes... (none / 0) (#92)
by proseandpromise on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:06:40 PM EST
about Hillary's unfortunate "experience" arguments.  SHe has convinced many of her supporters that McCain would be better than Obama.  

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I don't think so (none / 0) (#99)
by stillife on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:48:05 PM EST
I live in NYC and I know quite a few Hillary supporters who've been saying they'd go for McCain over Hillary.  Many (but not all) are Jewish.  My son's best friend (Jewish) says if Obama gets the nomination, "I guess I'll be voting for the grumpy old guy!"  

This pre-dates Hillary's supposed "endorsement" of McCain's experience.  Fact of the matter is, many Dem voters are dubious about Obama's lack of experience and the  relationship with Rev. Wright.  

Whether or not you like McCain, it's inarguable that both he and Hillary have more experience than Obama.

Myself, I'd be hard-pressed to pull the lever (yeah, we still have those old-fashioned voting machines in NYC) for a Republican, but I'm not inclined to vote for Obama either.

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What about Hillary's relationship with The Family? (1.00 / 2) (#103)
by lastamendment on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:55:23 PM EST
See here:

Say Hillary, What About The Religious "Family" You Have Chosen To Be Part Of?

and here:
UPDATED: "The Family" featured on MSNBC today

and here:
Bill Clinton To Reverend Jeremiah Wright: "I Have Sinned"

As the DailyKos diary states, you reap what you sow.

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Comparing this junk (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by RalphB on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:29:58 PM EST
from pro-Obama blogs to Obama's 20 year relationship with a nutjob and hatemonger does you little good.  It just makes you look like a desperate shill.


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I guess experience just doesn't mean much to me... (none / 0) (#100)
by proseandpromise on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:56:04 PM EST
McCain is experienced but he says terribly inacurate and wrong-headed things all the time.  Cheney is REALLY experienced, and that is a big part of his problem.  Experience is a non-issue for me.  I wonder what the percentage breakdown is between people who believed like your friends before Hillary started talking experience, and after.  Maybe she is just saying what everyone was already thinking, but I can't imagine that all of those people were suspicious of Obama at the beginning.

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I don't know how they felt at the beginning (5.00 / 1) (#101)
by stillife on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:06:52 PM EST
but I know how I felt.  I watched every single d**n debate and I was awed by Hillary's command of the facts and performance under pressure. Those are the qualities I want in my President. Obama, OTOH, was fairly underwhelming in the debates.  

After 8 years of Republican rule, I want a fighter in the White House.  The more the media, the Blogger Boyz and the Obama campaign attack Hillary, the more convinced I become that she is that person.  She's a living example of grace under fire.

I guess I'm just a pragmatist at heart.  I was truly impressed when I went to see Hillary speak at Town Hall in NYC, and she said that every day she tries to get something done, to advance some issue that's important to her, no matter how small.  Speeches are great.  I understand that many people (including my husband, who isn't a citizen and can't vote - too bad!) feel that Obama's "inspirational" message will get this country out of the mess we're in now.  

I want a candidate who can walk the walk, not just talk the talk.  

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I was (5.00 / 3) (#104)
by waldenpond on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:14:45 PM EST
surprised when I found I was supporting Clinton. Six months ago I did a frigging spreadsheet on issues and spent a couple of weeks slogging through congress.org and recording the votes.  I found out the positions and who was on the campaigns and watched all the debates.  I took notes on the debates, who actually answered and how they answered and who was closest on some of the positions I want movement on.  The woman can debate.  I'm tired of hearing my support is low knowledge.

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*ditto* (none / 0) (#110)
by Rainsong on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:46:40 AM EST
I dont know that I call it "experience" any more - to me its "competence".

Hillary has some negatives and faults, but she also has 35+ years of proven positives to her credit, that outweigh the screw-ups by a fairly large margin.

Just check her wikipedia entry (thin and incomplete as wikipedia often is) for a resume that is a lifetime's worth of solid achievements, from way before she even met Bill.

Obama has a thin record, but I dont hold that against him as 'lack of experience'.

But its because that thin record has a sizeable percentage of negatives, absences, and is littered with shady friends and associates that demonstrate lack of 'competence', as well as lack of 'judgement' to me.

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Me Too (none / 0) (#112)
by squeaky on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:23:13 AM EST
I live in NYC too, and am Jewish. I voted for HRC by a hair, and have no problems voting for Obama. Allmost all of my friends voted for Obama and all of my Jewish friends voted for him and are Obama supporters. So I guess we hang out in different circles.

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