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We will give you the cake (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by TalkRight on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:47:10 PM EST
only when you promise you cannot eat it.
We will seat FL/MI delegates (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by TalkRight on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:48:10 PM EST
only when they won't make any difference

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ha, even better.. (5.00 / 5) (#13)
by Dr Molly on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:58:06 PM EST
We will seat the FL/MI delegates only when it is safe for Obama, regardless of the intent of the voters. We will be able to do this when we have sufficiently propaganized the point that it is Hillary Clinton's continuing candidacy that is destroying the democratic party.

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The intent fo the FLMI primary voters=irrelevant (none / 0) (#93)
by Rick B on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:43:23 PM EST
When the primaries in those two states were set too early by state officials they themselves made the Democratic Primary voters in those two states irrelevant to the nomination process. That was the choice of officials in those two states to flout the rules.

So Democrats in MI and FL feel disenfranchised?  They were. By state officials. Not by the national party who told them the rules and the penalties for breaking those rules in advance.

If you have a football team on the field and the coach decides to send a cheerleader through the tunnels under the stands to place a football behind the other team's goal, there is no touchdown awarded. Counting MI and FL votes is the same as giving a touchdown for such a cheerleader placed football. No one in their right mind is going to demand that the rules be changes.

So who is demanding the rules change? Idiots and Republicans who want to create conflict in the Democratic Party. That's why the FL legislature broke the Democratic Party national rules in the first place. (I have no idea why the MI people did it, and I frankly don't care.)

If the voters in Florida are angry, they can elect a Democratic Florida Legislature. The Democrats in MI have similar options. And the rules are set between each Presidential election. If they don't like the rules, they have input to the rules then. But not when it would decide the Democratic nominee for President. That's too damned late.

The whole issue looks to me like Republican Party Ratfucking, to use one of Lee Atwater's terms.

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Great (none / 0) (#97)
by cmugirl on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:00:03 PM EST
So when those states go big time for McCain, we can all say,  "well they did it to themselves?"

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I disagree (none / 0) (#98)
by Step Beyond on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:08:11 PM EST
You can not control what others do but you have absolute control over your reaction to it. So yes the Florida legislature moved up the primary, but the DNC had full control over their what they did in response.

The DNC overreacted and decided to punish the Florida voters by disenfranchising them. It wasn't required they do that. It certainly wasn't their only choice.

The Florida legislatures broke a rules. But the DNC disenfranchised the voters.

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Agreed (none / 0) (#111)
by blogtopus on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:44:28 PM EST
And now the Super D's will have to bail out this mess and take the heat that the DNC should rightfully be taking.

Nobody likes it when the parents get home and tell you to turn off the music, clean up the living room and send your friends home. But that's exactly what the Super D's are intended for; cleaning up the mess that the DNC (and clueless politicians) make.

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Really? I thought the purpose of the ... (none / 0) (#127)
by Meteor Blades on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:44:39 PM EST
...super D's was to keep the mob off the the South Lawn.

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Golden for republicans (none / 0) (#115)
by TalkRight on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:56:50 PM EST
if democrats do not seat FL then in all the states where they are in control of the senate they will move up the primary for those state thereby guaranteeing that it would not count for democrats and help suppress democrat votes.

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New England Patriots: (none / 0) (#110)
by lambert on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:40:02 PM EST
"The only obstacle to the successful resolution of the New York Giants situation is that the game is not yet over."

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