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markos was dishonest? (5.00 / 6) (#1)
by Turkana on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:33:20 PM EST
knock me over with a feather.

not the first time he's called it a coup, either.

expect him to lead (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:35:19 PM EST
teh convention walkout if they lose.
no matter how they lose.

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would that be (5.00 / 9) (#3)
by Turkana on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:36:20 PM EST
a strike or a boycott?

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Disingenuous not dishonest (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:37:50 PM EST
Just a political hack for his candidate.

It was a weird post. As was Josh Marshall's.

Critical thinking skills are in short supply these days on the blogs.


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Maybe you can time share yours. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by MarkL on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:39:32 PM EST


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They have them (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:41:01 PM EST
I misspoke. They have put them in storage for the duration.

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you know (5.00 / 2) (#17)
by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:48:23 PM EST
soemtimes when I put things in storage for a long time they no longer fit when I take theme out for a spin.


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and when you take the road more traveled (none / 0) (#114)
by hellothere on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:51:10 PM EST
you can't go back and change it either. when we make bad choices, forces are set in motion that can't be altered. that is a theme of course in literature, but it is also true.

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I'm blown away by the results. (5.00 / 2) (#71)
by Burned on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:25:22 PM EST
To me this primary is almost a perfect test of critical thinking in politics. There are so many great big shiny blobs of obvious bias to conquer, and so few even making a stab at it.
I don't think I will ever put as much trust in political blogs again.

This one's likeable enough though. :)

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this one may have been merely disigenuous (5.00 / 5) (#12)
by Turkana on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:41:24 PM EST
others have been worse.

i didn't read this post. there are less than a handful of fpers there that are worth reading, and he's not one of them.

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There is a solution suggested by a Superdelegate (5.00 / 1) (#93)
by dotcommodity on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:31:32 PM EST
The Choose or Lose plan, essentially forcing all of the Superdelegates to make their decision public on June 4th, the day after the last primary.

I have given up on them from seeing their disingenuousness about when rules must be followed and when they must not.

For instance check out some of these responses to my attempt to lay out for them Gov. Bredesen's Choose or Lose plan: !!!! an example of changing the rules to benefit Democrats! Yikes!

Sigh... turkana, and so many others: I miss you over there. (its a comfy site, so I'm loathe to leave - but so empty now)

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Empty? (5.00 / 1) (#100)
by Fabian on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:15:39 PM EST
I think that is a good adjective to use.

Outside of my hotlisted diarists, I usually only stop by long enough to skim diaries.  I wonder if I really was as accepting the various narratives as people seem to be now.  Trying to break free of any given narrative is an uphill battle now, even the weakest, most insipid ones.

It's like cable, hundreds of channels but nothing is on.

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mmm, hotlisted diaries (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by dotcommodity on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:38:30 PM EST
thats what I mean about the more comfy amenities...tough times for the rational

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I'd love for Meteor Blades (none / 0) (#110)
by Fabian on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:42:43 PM EST
to write an election diary - only if he wanted to, of course.

He's one of the few that I still respect completely there.

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clammyc also, still (5.00 / 1) (#111)
by dotcommodity on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:44:38 PM EST
speaks for the rational

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or just crashing the gate (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Lahdee on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:56:55 PM EST
just to crash the gate. Gotta defend the philosophy after all. Credibility, heh.

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I've been surprised by Markos (5.00 / 2) (#55)
by mexboy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 03:31:31 PM EST
I always had a high opinion of him.
I took DK out of my bookmarks a while back  and no longer visit their site.
Oh, well. Live and learn.

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Yeah. Me neither. I don't want him to get money (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by derridog on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:00:03 PM EST
from my hits. I used to think very highly of him and liked to read his posts.  I remember when he started to think that maybe he'd support Obama. At that time, he was still reasonable and could look at both sides and make insightful analyses.  What happened? Maybe he needs an exorcism.

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What happened was (none / 0) (#83)
by desert dawg on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:41:41 PM EST
he realized he couldn't walk into Rick & Ann's or the French Hotel wearing a Vote for Hillary button.

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Kos is corrupt, a joke (none / 0) (#121)
by doyenne49 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 10:53:08 PM EST
He has sold his credibility for an Obama win. He is a clown.

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I disagree (1.00 / 1) (#101)
by TheRefugee on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:19:21 PM EST
it isn't "hack for a candidate" it is hack for a principle.  Kos is about getting his type dem elected using any means necessary.  This isn't a one time thing.  This is Kos' anti-DC type taking on the dreaded DLC.  This is Kos' getting to put his admiration of GOP campaign methods to use.  

Kos', "thinking skills" are going to be in perpetual hibernation whenever such a contest emerges...he has said so numerous times, inc. his book, that the win is what matters and not the how. (in sentiment, not the actual words)

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I always wondered (5.00 / 1) (#102)
by Fabian on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:41:06 PM EST
what his(kos') philosophy would look like in action.

How DO you get enough clout to actually take on the establishment without becoming it?

I don't think you do.  The Left blogosphere resembles the right wing noise machine more every day, with the talking points, the top down structure, the echo chambers.  It may be remarkably effective, but is it productive?  If we merely lurch along from contest to contest, from one narrative to another(quite possibly contradictory) narrative, from one carefully choreographed outrage to another, then are we grassroots or astroturf?

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Do you think Kos will have any clout in (none / 0) (#112)
by MarkL on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:18:51 PM EST
one year?
Obama won't touch him, and neither will Hillary.

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But.... (none / 0) (#125)
by dskinner3 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:01:57 PM EST
Kos is about getting his type dem elected using any means necessary.

I don't see how BO can be "his type."  HRC has just as good if not better "progressive" track record.

He followed the momentum, and is now stuck defending his choice at all costs.

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A certain degree. . . (5.00 / 3) (#16)
by LarryInNYC on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:47:48 PM EST
of dispassionate logical ability is required for someone's false or inaccurate statement to attain the level of dishonesty.  Markos' statement isn't even dishonest.  It's just demented, like so much that's said in the blogosphere these days.

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that is the nature of an echo chamber (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:49:44 PM EST


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Heh (none / 0) (#44)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 03:15:05 PM EST


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Okay. So let me get this straight. The rules say (5.00 / 4) (#59)
by derridog on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 03:56:14 PM EST
that Florida and Michigan should have their votes discounted because they "cheated" by having their primaries early.  The rules also say that the Superdelegates can vote for whomever they wish and that the whole purpose of the Superdelegates is to keep some personality cult from succeeding at the risk of losing the GE.

If the first rules are absolute, shouldn't the second rules be also?
It's interesting. Kos  used to be part of the "reality-based community."  What happened to that idea?

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BDB over at Corrente has a trip down mem lane (5.00 / 2) (#69)
by blogtopus on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:22:57 PM EST
Clinton was the only top-tier candidate to refuse the ultimate Iowa and New Hampshire pander by removing her name from the Michigan ballot. That makes her essentially the de facto winner since Edwards and Obama, caving to the cry babies in Iowa and New Hampshire, took their name off Michigan's ballot. Sure, the DNC has stripped Michigan of its delegates, but that won't last through the convention. The last thing Democrats can afford is to alienate swing states like Michigan and Florida by refusing to seat their delegates.

Guess who said that in JANUARY?

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I know. I remember him saying that. (5.00 / 1) (#75)
by derridog on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:33:53 PM EST
He was very reasonable and insightful in those days. Then he must have been bitten in the neck by a vampire. That's the only thing I can think of that would explain it.

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I just don't remember IA and NH (none / 0) (#78)
by oculus on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:36:31 PM EST
Dem. parties crying.  Did they really, or is that just the DNC's diverionary meme?

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