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I've been silently reading Talk Left (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by houser13 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:36:21 PM EST
for a while now, and I've got to say, reading some of the posts and (especially) the comments on blogs like TalkLeft and Dailykos make me physically sick. It makes my head hurt, reading horribly unfounded personal attacks against the both candidates and no one speaks out, even though in the real world, saying these things would be totally unacceptable (unless you are on Fox News.) And then there's the hypocrisy. For example, just this week, Bill Richardson endorses Obama and suddenly I hear that he sexual harasses women, he's homophobic, and that he was the worst candidate running. And it's like, `how come I never heard any of these criticisms before he endorsed Obama?' And the same goes for Bill Clinton on DK. They used to worship the ground around his feet and now he's equivalent to the antichrist. But what makes me feel like I'm going to throw up is that you just know these hardcore Hillary supports will never vote for Obama in the GE and vice versa. These people are so filled with hatred that they are willing to sacrifice all their principles and personal beliefs out of spite, just because their candidate didn't get the nomination.
         But for people who feel the same way I do, there's one thing to remember that always makes me feel better: this is the internet. I've yet to hear this kind of radical talk in the real world from friends and coworkers and strangers. The vast majority of Democrats are not like those on TL or DK. They are rational people who understand the goal of this whole nomination process is to keep a neo-con like McCain out of the White House.
         And yet, blogs have become very influential as of late, especially for Democrats. And I fear that no matter who wins the nomination, the wounds that have been opened will not heal. But hopefully after the convention, as more B.S. spews from John McCain's mouth, the anger will subside on these "progressive" blogs and Democrats (along with us registered Independents) will be able to unite behind a single candidate, whether it be Hillary or Obama. Or Gravel.


FYI (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by waldenpond on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:39:08 PM EST
Comparing TL to Fox (if that's what you just did) doesn't go over very well.

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Read the disclaimer (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by Jeralyn on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:45:36 PM EST
on the right side of our home page. It's clearly stated:

TalkLeft is not responsible for and often disagrees with material posted in the comments section. Read at your own risk.


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What are you talking about???? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by kenosharick on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:28:29 PM EST
While DK and americblog(and others) are terribly nasty, it is VERY civil here at TalkLeft. No name calling and such are tolerated- please do not lump this site with those; big difference in tone.

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Not so fast (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Sunshine on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:43:38 PM EST
I don't know what you were reading or what you thought you were reading but they don't talk like that on TalkLeft...  You might have been on Dailykos or AmericaBlog but you get deleted for that here, just ask me, I've been deleted....

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you made me come out of lurkerdom (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by angie on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 03:41:34 PM EST
Sorry, but I can't let this pass -- I've been lurking here since almost the beginning of the campaign a year ago and to compare this place DK is just plain wrong.  BTD & Jeralyn, while certainly having personal preferences for candidates, are always fair and the comments section here is very civil.  People here, unlike on DK, are mature enough to be able to agree to disagree.  This is why this place is a haven for someone like me (a Hillary supporter who will vote for the Dem. nominee in the GE whoever that is) -- I don't mind criticism of her as long as it is fair and as long as Obama gets his fair share as well when warranted.  
And as far as Richardson not getting dinged before-- he wasn't an issue before with what, less then 2% of the vote before he dropped out.  And he is the guy before his endorsement of Obama who said SDs should vote how their state voted -- now, with his state voting for NM he is saying SDs should vote for who each thinks is best, not how their states voted.  Sorry if calling out him out for being a hypocrite offends some, but that is what he is.

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Honestly? (none / 0) (#122)
by jtaylorr on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:07:48 PM EST
New Mexico was 49% to 48%. I'm pretty sure that gives Bill carte blanche.

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Either SD's vote their district or not (none / 0) (#127)
by DandyTIger on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:24:11 PM EST
whether the district votes for a candidate by .00001% or here 1%. It becomes quite ridiculous for the Obama camp to keep saying the SD's should do this or that when they have Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy and others. Of course those SD's that are politicians will be wary of voting against their district if there was a landslide, but in the end they should vote how they think. That's what it was (badly) designed for.

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I think David Wilhelm says it worst... (none / 0) (#133)
by joc on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:00:09 PM EST
Here's the video.

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it would appear to me you are an obama (5.00 / 1) (#138)
by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:14:16 PM EST
supporter coming on here to whine! i am sorry that civil discourse it too much for your easily offended ears. hmmm!

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Whining? Hardly (none / 0) (#150)
by squeaky on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:36:17 PM EST
It makes my head hurt, reading horribly unfounded personal attacks against the both candidates

I have to agree. Attacking mainstream democrats is a poor tactic, and unecessary imo, (unless it Lieberman or a Republican wannabe) Sometimes the personal attacks on Obama get deleted but since there are so many of them, some manage to stay. Guess you have not noticed that Obama is called all sorts of things here. What have you called him? Fraud, does that ring a bell?

But what makes me feel like I'm going to throw up is that you just know these hardcore Hillary supports will never vote for Obama in the GE and vice versa. These people are so filled with hatred..

Isn't that your position? Everyone is entitled to vote or not vote as they please, but I have to agree with the commenter, doing anything that would help McCain is a sin as far as I am concerned and hearing that kind of talk makes me want to puke as well.

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and everyone can state their beliefs which (none / 0) (#152)
by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:40:42 PM EST
is what i did. by the way you are always defending obama all the while stating you voted for hillary. i have never seen you take offense at a slur at hillary on here. maybe i just missed it.

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I think squeaky is just (5.00 / 1) (#164)
by tree on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:32:41 PM EST
a contrarian, who likes to bash other posters, so he can feel superior. The majority of his posts include name-calling or personal attacks. He probably WAS bashing Obama supporters at an earlier point when they were more of a factor here. Now there are probably more Clinton supporters, so he can only feel superior to most of the posters here now if he bashes them and not the Obama ones.

   

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thanks for the comment but that (none / 0) (#165)
by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:35:43 PM EST
one was way over the top.

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Yup (1.00 / 1) (#155)
by squeaky on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:50:53 PM EST
You just missed it. And I am hardly always defending Obama, it just seems that way to you because you are drunk on kool aid and the nut case Obama supporters have by in large disappeared or have been banned from TL.  It sickens me to see Obama slimed by supposed Democrats who think that sort of nastiness is going to help HRC. Maybe some of you are not Democrats at all but GOPers for HRC.

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jeralyn, please take note of (none / 0) (#161)
by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 06:23:16 PM EST
this post which is way out of line and a personal attack. thanks

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seeing the bashing of a good candidate (none / 0) (#154)
by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:42:44 PM EST
like hillary makes me want to puke. and i have not seen her campaign create the kind of faux bruahaha obama is always opining about either. she tries to stick to the issues. next!

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First (none / 0) (#126)
by tek on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:23:11 PM EST
if you've never heard some of the things about Richardson you should read the news more.  As for Bill Clinton, no one on this blog criticizes him.  As far as Hillary supporters voting for Obama, some will, some will not.  That's an American's right.  I read on the other blogs frequently that the Obama people are not going to vote for Hillary and even that they are going to riot if Obama is not the nominee.

People here do not smear either candidate.

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I heard even Michael Obama said she will have to (none / 0) (#132)
by TalkRight on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 04:56:00 PM EST
think if she could vote for Senator Clinton in General Election if Clinton is indeed the nominee.. Now that is what you call "Classy"

In case Bill Clinton or even Chelsea would have said the same.. they would have been crucified long back!!

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actually, the sexual harassment charges (none / 0) (#169)
by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:16:19 PM EST
were stated elsewhere quite some time ago, not that I know much about them nor am interested in using them to discredit Bill Richardson and even Bill Clinton doesn't seem concerned about them because he watched the Super Bowl with Richardson.

Blogs tend to be uncivil - some clearly worse than others and it's best not to personalize the comments.

BTD and Jeralyn do an extreme amount of monitoring and removal of insulting and vicious comments. This makes TL more genial but clearly not a safe haven for those who can't handle strong opinions that they don't agree with.

Only you can decide whether you belong or not.

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I am a Hillary supporter, ex-Edwards (none / 0) (#179)
by FlaDemFem on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:07:04 PM EST
supporter. When he dropped out, I switched my support to Hillary Clinton. If the Democratic party goes so far as to nominate an unqualified candidate such as Barack Obama, I will vote for him. I am a Democrat, and I support my party. Even if they want to send a green kid into a firefight with a seasoned battle group like the GOP smear machine. I have yet to see anyone on TalkLeft, who supports Obama, say that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee. Of course, I haven't read all the posts. You will find plenty of people who say that at DKos. I am a Kossack who came here because the level of vitriol at DKos was literally making me ill. I find the Obama supporters to be a bit off the beam. My own sister told me that if I can't see the TRUTH then I shouldn't vote. Guess who she supports? Right, Obama. I don't want a president whose supporters denigrate, sometimes obscenely, the supporters of the opposition. But, if that is what it takes to keep the GOP out, then I will vote for him. I personally think that the GOP is doing its level best to inflate Obama and encourage cross-over voting in the primaries because they don't want to take on Hillary in the GE. Once he gets the nomination, all the "crossover" support will evaporate like it was never there. And without it, he can't win. But, I will vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter who it is. I am a Democrat.

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