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Framing of the Obama Strategy (5.00 / 8) (#6)
by Athena on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:58:03 PM EST
The MSM has it backwards.

Obama has decided to seek a nomination with the aid of superdelegates, rather than elected delegates.  His refusal to participate in Florida and Michigan enfranchisement means that he would rather rely on getting a nomination with superdelegates, rather than those elected by the voters.

Obama is pursuing an anti-democratic path to the nomination.  Contrary to the prevailing MSM narrative, it is Obama who is trying to ride the superdelegates to a nomination and avoid a full evaluation by the voters, not Clinton.

you may be right (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:11:08 PM EST
but he'll be sorrrrrrry.

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Throwing so much junk out there (5.00 / 2) (#154)
by felizarte on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:19:55 PM EST
hoping that people will get distracted from Rezko, Rev. Wright, NaftaGate/Powergate.

The desperation is so obvvious.  They can sense that Hillary has the momentum.  There are no new converts and perhaps even a peeling away.

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so, obama is unpatriotic, a muslim, (1.00 / 6) (#21)
by cy street on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:12:01 PM EST
anti-democratic and thief.  maybe it would be easier to throw the satan narrative out there.  keeping up with all of his flaws is becoming tiresome.

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Can you not read or comprehend? No one has (5.00 / 6) (#22)
by Angel on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:13:40 PM EST
said that in this thread.  Go someplace else if you want to start a fight.  This is Good Friday, let us have some fun.  

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I think we shouldn't answer these posts... (5.00 / 4) (#49)
by Maria Garcia on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:31:56 PM EST
...for two reasons, 1)they are sucking up the open thread and 2) they are really just trying to provoke us.

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I agree. (5.00 / 1) (#183)
by Fabian on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:35:47 PM EST
Due to the "Stay On Topic." rule, I find it easy to OT ignore comments, especially if they are apparently baiting, instigating or picking a fight.

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fight? (1.00 / 5) (#34)
by cy street on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:19:05 PM EST
i do not fight with democrats.  i vote for them and the last time i checked, obama is still a democrat.

wait for it.

just in:  obama is a card carrying hezbollah member.

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He is?! Oh my, that's not good. (none / 0) (#54)
by nycstray on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:33:35 PM EST
/s

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You did not see all those claims (5.00 / 5) (#26)
by Cream City on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:14:37 PM EST
in this comment -- or on this blog.

Apologize.

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desperation (5.00 / 6) (#28)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:16:32 PM EST
its going to get worse

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After Pa (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by PlayInPeoria on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:44:43 PM EST
primary it is going to get worse! Looks like she is going to get delegates and popular vote by large %.


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think (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by Capt Howdy on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:48:07 PM EST
viscous cornered wounded animal

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let's hope (5.00 / 1) (#176)
by diplomatic on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:32:24 PM EST
But Obama also knows that if he could win Pennsylvania he gets the nomination right then and there.  He might try to "do anything to win"

Unlike Hillary he has an entire TV network dedicated to making this happen. (NBC/MSNBC)

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Obama has zero chance of winning PA (none / 0) (#258)
by OxyCon on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:25:12 PM EST
Obama outspent Hillary 4-1 in Texas and Ohio and still lost.
He can spend all the money he wants in PA and all he is doing is wasting all the money his contributors gave him.

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I don't think he's trying to win PA (none / 0) (#265)
by Rigelian on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:28:40 PM EST
I think he's trying to keep the margin reasonable and beat expectations and he can afford to make that investment.  Needless to say if Clinton competed across the board in earlier in the contest, she would not be in such a difficult position.  

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well he needs to WIN Pennsylvania (none / 0) (#283)
by diplomatic on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:55:44 PM EST
to end the primary right then and there.  Cutting the margin of defeat won't be enough to take away Clinton's argument that she wins the big swing states and he once again failed to do so.

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Also, when you realize (5.00 / 6) (#104)
by BarnBabe on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:54:26 PM EST
That on some blogs you no long have the Hillary supporters and so you have to go looking for them somewhere else to keep up the bickering.

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I hadn't thought of that (5.00 / 6) (#147)
by Joan in VA on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:16:23 PM EST
but you are so right! They must be getting bored with agreeing with themselves!

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Or bored with telling Whoppers (4.00 / 1) (#187)
by ding7777 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:37:09 PM EST


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Yes this is going on all over the Intertubes (none / 0) (#253)
by OxyCon on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:20:44 PM EST
Obama's supporters are fanning out and, dare I say it, trolling blogs with very obnoxious and confrontational postings.
They say Obama attracts the "youth vote", and unfortunately it seems they are out to prove it.

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Obama's Superdelegate Reliance (5.00 / 7) (#29)
by Athena on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:17:07 PM EST
Basic political analysis here.  Pointing out that Obama will now place more reliance on the superdelegates to get a nomination is a necessary corrective to the prevailing meme that tarnished Clinton for using superdelegates.

The tables have turned.  Obama is now willing to plead his case to superdelegates rather than submit to FL and MI voters.  It's very clear.

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that narrative is already out there (none / 0) (#25)
by diplomatic on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:14:32 PM EST
or maybe you haven't Googled antichrist + Obama.

You might be surprised at how many hits you get, lol.

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Obama is afraid to (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by sas on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:59:10 PM EST
have Democrats vote in Michigan and Florida.  He knows he'll lose them.

I made a decision today not to vote for Obama, because in my view instead of doing it the right way, with all states in play, he wants to tap dance around it.  He's afraid.

Not s leader for me.

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actually as a voter it is your job to keep (none / 0) (#141)
by hellothere on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:13:22 PM EST
up with his negatives especially since you are a supporter. you are concerned with that right? i mean beyond rushing to refute it blindly.

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Very good point. Obama and his campaign are (none / 0) (#124)
by DemBillC on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:07:50 PM EST
really the biggest Hypocrite's since George Bush and his posse. I did not trust George Bush and I do not trust Obama. His choice of friends such as
slumlord Rezco and the wingut Rev Wright are very troubling. I do not feel I could back Obama in the
general election.

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Ditto, (none / 0) (#149)
by felizarte on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:16:50 PM EST
"a rose by any other name . . ."
inexperience is a fact;
inspirational? It is in the eye of the beholder.
Talk plus $4.00 will get you a gallon of gas.

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I disagree (none / 0) (#236)
by Rigelian on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:07:20 PM EST
the reality of this primary is and has been that super delegates were going to ultimately decide this notwithstanding Florida or Michigan.  This would be true if Clinton ends up the nominee or Obama ends up the nominee.  

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So true.... (none / 0) (#276)
by Oje on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:41:58 PM EST
And, there seems to be a new push to end the primary now to complement that strategy. From politico to atrios to TPM, the drumbeat for withdrawal once again resounds. And now that a childhood actress has denounced Clinton and Bill Richardson endorsed Obama, there seems to be no further point to the Democratic, and democratic, process. All those pesky women and Hispanics are now spoken for: Obama Roolz!

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