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SUSA polls more states (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by andgarden on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:25:20 PM EST
Obama isn't as damaged as I'd feared, but this is going to be a struggle.


2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13602 taken in Massachusetts for WBZ-TV (Boston)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 42% Clinton 55% Undecided 3%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 47% Obama 47% Undecided 6%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13603 taken in Minnesota for All SurveyUSA clients in Minnesota
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 46% Clinton 49% Undecided 5%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 47% Obama 46% Undecided 7%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13597 taken in Alabama for WKRG-TV (Mobile-Pensacola)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 56% Clinton 38% Undecided 6%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 62% Obama 35% Undecided 4%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13598 taken in California for All SurveyUSA clients in California
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 38% Clinton 56% Undecided 6%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 40% Obama 54% Undecided 6%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13599 taken in Iowa for KAAL-TV (Rochester-Mason City-Austin)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 48% Clinton 44% Undecided 9%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 44% Obama 50% Undecided 5%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13600 taken in Kansas for KCTV-TV (Kansas City), KWCH-TV (Wichita)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 55% Clinton 36% Undecided 9%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 51% Obama 39% Undecided 10%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13606 taken in New York for All SurveyUSA clients in New York
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 41% Clinton 54% Undecided 5%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 44% Obama 52% Undecided 4%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13608 taken in Oregon for KATU-TV (Portland)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 44% Clinton 50% Undecided 6%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 41% Obama 50% Undecided 9%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13609 taken in Virginia for WDBJ-TV (Roanoke), WJLA-TV (Washington DC)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 47% Clinton 47% Undecided 6%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 47% Obama 48% Undecided 5%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13610 taken in State of Washington for KATU-TV (Portland), KING-TV (Seattle)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 45% Clinton 50% Undecided 5%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 41% Obama 52% Undecided 7%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13611 taken in Wisconsin for All SurveyUSA clients in Wisconsin
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 45% Clinton 46% Undecided 9%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 44% Obama 48% Undecided 9%

2:25 PM (58 minutes ago)
Poll #13605 taken in New Mexico for KOB-TV (Albuquerque)
Q: If there were an election for President of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Republican John McCain and ... Democrat Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?
A: McCain 45% Clinton 51% Undecided 4%
Q: What if it was John McCain against Democrat Barack Obama?
A: McCain 45% Obama 51% Undecided 4%
But, I thought Obama was going to (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by Teresa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:36:52 PM EST
win Alabama and Kansas! That's what I read in other places.

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Lately the way you've phrased (none / 0) (#48)
by oculus on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:28:24 PM EST
some of your comments ("feared") makes me think you may now be supporting Obama.  Any truth to my speculation?

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If he's the nominee, I want him to win (5.00 / 2) (#60)
by andgarden on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:34:20 PM EST
my fear is that he becomes the nominee and then loses like McGovern.

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That's Why Super Delagates (none / 0) (#71)
by flashman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:38:45 PM EST
Need to act independently, and not follow that "will of the voters" nonsense.

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the will of the voters may end up with Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#105)
by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:53:33 PM EST
Even without Michigan and Florida, the numbers are looking good for Hillary in the upcoming states.  Even left unresolved, the superdelegates can take into account the 1.8 million that voted in Florida and went overwhelmingly for Clinton.  Just because delegates don't get seated, it won't mean that those people who went to the polls suddenly vanish like it never happened.

Their will was expressed.

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I Agree (none / 0) (#139)
by flashman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:07:22 PM EST
That's why I'm not so concerned about seating the delagates; it doens't really change the dynamic.  The one concern I have is for the GE, will the voters be discouraged?

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Winning fair and square.... (none / 0) (#150)
by kdog on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:19:45 PM EST
is too risky.  Better to rig it somehow.

I mean we can't let the proles pick a leader, they might lead for the proles.

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Are you nuts.... (3.00 / 3) (#98)
by kdog on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
why not form a bi-partisan council of 100 or so "super americans" and have them pick the president every 4 years?

I don't think some people would be happy unless we appointed Hillary Grand Chancellor of the American Empire with a lifetime term.

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The super delegates exist (none / 0) (#148)
by alsace on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 03:18:40 PM EST
for the purpose of preventing another 1972 (when I and one or two other Americans voted for McGovern.)  If they  cannot or will not independently exercise their presumably "honed" political judgment, better that they simply be stripped of their votes.  

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I don't think he will lose by McGovern (none / 0) (#74)
by tigercourse on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM EST
numbers. Not even by Dukakis numbers. But he will probably do worse then Kerry.

[ Parent ]
well, he will not win a General Election (none / 0) (#97)
by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:49:58 PM EST
the "math" is not there for him.  (now I get to say it)

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If we factor in all of the current polls, (none / 0) (#51)
by tigercourse on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:30:11 PM EST
including SurveyUSA and Rass, Obama loses the general election by a good 100 points. I'd say that's pretty bad.

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Wow, check out Wisconsin -- where (none / 0) (#57)
by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:32:01 PM EST
Clinton's campaign took its big setback, but where some of us kept saying we saw a massive Republican crossover to Obama.

Now Clinton beats McCain -- by a point, but that's more than twice as much of a margin as Kerry had in this closest state last time.

So does Obama, but by only 2 more points.  Those who continue to deny the massive Republican crossover than have to admit that this is the effect, in one of the most churchgoing states, of Obama's minister.

Or both.  

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The undecideds (none / 0) (#59)
by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:34:11 PM EST
are what gave me pause.  Much higher for one candidate than the other.  If we can trust exit polling (big if) then we know that late deciders trend Clinton.

Just another piece of the puzzle.

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