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Obama has 'transcended' politics (none / 0) (#7)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:30:08 AM EST
And declared himself King.

He's not, though, in any sense of the word.


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I knew Elvis (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by Capt Howdy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:34:42 AM EST
Elvis was a friend of mine.
Senator, you are no Elvis.


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Do you have a quote where he did so? (none / 0) (#14)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:39:48 AM EST
Or are you just blinded by Obama-hate?

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If Obama quoted me, I'd be thrilled (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:52:11 AM EST
But if you can find a quote of him quoting me be my guest!

Or are we not, as individuals, allowed to have opinions under Obama rules now?

I was undecided and either HRC or BO were excellent Dem candidates. Then Team Obama started this scorched earth policy of blowing up Dem chances unless he was annointed.

It's made it clearer to me why HRC is a better choice to win in November and, more importantly, to govern.

Oh, and do your own homework. I've done mine and don't have to explain my vote.

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You made a statement (none / 0) (#82)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:17:30 AM EST
that was inflammatory, and now you can't back it up.  telling.

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Why do I need to 'back up' my vote or opinion? (5.00 / 1) (#107)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:29:18 AM EST
It's not inflammatory to have an opinion / position that either the FL and MI votes should count as is, or have a revote.

I didn't like TeamO's threats that they wouldn't back HRC if she was chosen, during the fair primary process, to be the Dem candidate (as publicly stated by Michelle Obama and other TeamO spokespeople.)

It tells me he's not the second coming of Dr. King, who was about REAL change. Obama is revealing himself to be a bad choice to beat McCain (and the Republicans Obama wants to unite with, which is the centerpiece of his campaign) -- after taking down the "Monster" Hillary, of course.

I think he'll lose the Dems the election because he's too divisive, in the active-verb sense that he's intentionally dividing people unless he wins.

(I'm still allowed an opinion under Obama rules, right?)

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You're certainly allowed to have an opinion (none / 0) (#184)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:55:51 AM EST
but if you can't provide any substantive support for it, you shouldn't expect anyone to take it seriously.

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Obama's speeches are peppered with MLK bites (none / 0) (#215)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:13:42 PM EST
His position on ONLY counting FL and MI votes as benefits him is abundantly on the public record. (You can catch up and do your own homework and read the past threads here.)

His spokespersons' message, such as Michelle Obama saying during her appearance on Larry King Live, that Obama supporters would not back HRC in a general election, will deeply damage the Dems in the election, which is becoming harder to win with or without Obama's blessing as the media turn more to John McCain.

Obama's candidacy and flighty public positions are damaging now and will be even more so down the road as he plays Nu Skool Politics with those swell Repugs who can't WAIT for him to come on over and unite with them!

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And I'm allowed a vote too, which I want to count (none / 0) (#243)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:28:30 PM EST
Team Obama only wants to count the votes that benefit him and brush aside the ones that don't.

"Agreeing" to just take those HRC ones because BO made a strategic campaign error isn't my idea of democracy, old, new, or whatever nouvelle bizarro version TeamObama is trying to push on people.

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Falsehoods don't help either (none / 0) (#196)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:00:37 PM EST
Michelle Obama never said she wouldn't back Hillary.  She said she was unsure.  Lies don't help your credibility, especially when they're so easily disproven.

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Obama's falsehood about counting MI and FL votes (5.00 / 1) (#225)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:21:11 PM EST
Casting aside the votes and declaring he'll take half isn't respecting the process is what a FALSEHOOD is.

I didn't misrepresent the ugly nature of his campaign to unite with Repugs once Monster Lady was taken out.

I didn't misrepresent Michelle Obama's statement about not supporting HRC and other appalling things Ms. Obama said on Larry King Live.

Calling me a liar -- or whatever juvenile charge Team Obama's slinging this week -- doesn't alter facts.

Do the Monster Mash to your hearts content, Team Obama's lost it.

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Calling a vote FAIR is a FALSEHOOD, too (none / 0) (#234)
by Deadalus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:25:19 PM EST
When Sen. Clinton said the Michigan and Florida primaries were "fair" and "should be respected", she took a position that is so implausible any court would direct a verdict against her on that one.

So, it's a falsehood, as "fair" is determined by our legal system and by our sense of conscience.

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These emotional ravings (none / 0) (#246)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
Don't make any substantive points.  I've tried to engage you with logic and facts to no avail, so I'm done arguing with you.

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The 'ravings' are TeamO's OWN POSITIONS (none / 0) (#253)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:38:51 PM EST
This ludicrous stance that citing well-known public stances are my irrational imaginings or emotional ravings is ridiculous.

Flail away ... TeamO is not ready for prime time and the more I see, the more evident it is to me that Obama and his team aren't capable of winning the election or, after that, governing.

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Right she was unsure and that (none / 0) (#199)
by Florida Resident on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:02:14 PM EST
such an improvement coming from the wife of a candidate.

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it is not the same thing, but i refer you (none / 0) (#52)
by hellothere on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06:13 AM EST
to obama's promise that he will play by chicago political rules. that is not anything to brag about considering the history of chicago politics.

and as to whether someone thinks of himself as royalty, well that is inferred by their attitude and manner don't you think? isn't that the position that michelle took about hillary? she won't support her if her attiutde isn't just right? right?

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Well, the Chicago rules worked well for him when (5.00 / 2) (#159)
by derridog on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:48:00 AM EST
he first ran for office against Alice Palmer, who was a community activist and who held the office and who had supported him in his run for a different job.  When he couldn't win that  office (for a reason I no longer remember), he decided to run against her, even though she had been his staunch advocate.  Then, instead of actually running against her, he challenged the signatures that she had given the voting office to allow her to run, along with the signatures of three or four other people running.  He knocked them all off the ballot, so he could run unopposed.  Those are the "Chicago Rules."

It seems to me that Obama has been using the Chicago Rules all along, accusing the Clintons of racism in order to inflame racial hostility in Blacks to demonize the Clintons just so he could win, his use of the Harry and Louise ads to attack her Health Care Plan so that the Republicans can now use that to attack his own Health Care Plan, which will not work without mandates anyway (which he has now made it impossible for him to propose).  

He seems like a really nice guy, until you look under the surface. I gave him money until I realized that I couldn't actually support him.  He lets his surrogates do his dirty work, but he's been doing dirty work since he started running for office back in his Rezko days.  

 If people would just do a little homework on the man, instead of reacting emotionally, it would be better for the country and for progressive values, which supposedly we in the "Reality-based Communitiy" espouse.   We have a lot of serious problems in this country, starting with the fact that the economy may be in meltdown, we have dire environmental problems, not to mention the war (which in spite of Obama's speech of 2002, he has voted for every time he's had the chance -that is, he's voted for  Bush's position every time since he's been in the Senate except when he's ducked the vote).

So, I can hardly wait to see what else the Chicago Rules will bring us. We all know how honest Chicago politics are.

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i see (none / 0) (#88)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:19:36 AM EST
so now we're inferring that he thinks he's king, not because he said anything of the sort, but because of our subjective views on his "attitude."  Not much rationality in that.

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really? (none / 0) (#93)
by SarahinCA on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:23:33 AM EST
Someone can't feel like a candidate's attitude reflects an air of superiority and royalty?  It can't possibly be a surprise to you that politics is personal, subjective, and emotional.

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People who don't understand simple declarations (none / 0) (#140)
by Ellie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:41:16 AM EST
... that hold true both literally and figuratively should take a breather.

Otherwise, they're just papering the thread with clutter to make a meaningful discussion frustrating if impossible.

Demanding that I "quote" where Obama said, um, my opinion SLASH play on words is cluttering.

In case it wasn't, though, KING = Dr. King, whom Obama frequently cites, without attribution, in speeches and small-k king, a self-appointed ruler who's allergic to counting votes. (THAT was clutter, but minimally useful!)

Astro-turfing minions are particularly thick today.

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Not to mention that he takes on King's religious (none / 0) (#167)
by derridog on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:50:58 AM EST
cadence when he speaks. He is a good mimic and he is a great copier of the words and ideas of other people. But I'd like to know that there is something genuine in the rhetoric.  I don't believe there is. I think it's all about him.

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People who can't back up their claims (none / 0) (#177)
by JJE on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:53:52 AM EST
should take a breather.  They certainly shouldn't imply people who disagree with their emotive rants are just astroturfing.

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