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Florida (1.00 / 1) (#63)
by 1jane on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:46:19 AM EST
Democrats representing Florida in Congress released this joint statement today.

We are committed to working with the DNC, the Florida State Democratic party, our Democratic leaders in Florida, and our two candidates to reach an expedited solution that ensures our 210 delegates are seated. Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind.

Prediction: a 50-50 split of delegates.

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50-50 split makes no sense at all. (5.00 / 3) (#70)
by MarkL on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:47:52 AM EST
Why not split it 90-10 in Hillary's favor? That would make more sense to me.

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prediction-obama will lose general election (5.00 / 2) (#73)
by hellothere on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:49:11 AM EST
due to poor campaigning and not caring about voting rights. anyone who thinks that 50% is fair needs to rethink their position. that is not democracy or anything near it. what it is in my opinion is trying to steal votes.

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Funny prediction (5.00 / 2) (#78)
by tree on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:51:26 AM EST
given that the Florida delegation is demanding to be seated as is. But at least we are all on notice now as to what the latest Obamamemo is on this matter.

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Because a 50/50 (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by Warren Terrer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:51:37 AM EST
split makes so much sense.

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A 50-50 split (5.00 / 3) (#90)
by spit on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:54:23 AM EST
is an even worse solution IMO than just not seating them at all. Talk about questionable legitimacy to the results. At least not seating them doesn't involve making them actually represent something in a way not supported by their vote.

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It' s like going out to lunch and ordering (5.00 / 3) (#105)
by Anne on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM EST
a salad, while your companion has the oysters on the half shell, the soup of the day, the market-price lobster, dessert and a half bottle of wine and when the check comes, thinks splitting the check 50-50 is just so much less complicated than each person paying for what they actually consumed...

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And the wine (none / 0) (#146)
by Paladin on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:32:45 PM EST
Would be a $200 bottle.  Sounds fair to me!

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DOJ (5.00 / 2) (#102)
by auntmo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:58:59 AM EST
would  never   approve   50-50.  

Obama  has  been hoist  on his own petard.

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i hope so. arrogance just irritates me. (5.00 / 3) (#112)
by hellothere on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:02:48 PM EST


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50 / 50 (5.00 / 1) (#177)
by cal1942 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:03:40 PM EST
is the same as not seating them at all.  

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No, it's not the same. (none / 0) (#184)
by K Lynne on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:35:18 PM EST
As I posted elsewhere on the thread, a 50/50 split gives an advantage to Obama over and above the obvious difference between the actual results and the 50/50 split.

If the primary were a simple case of 'the person with the most delegates wins', that would be the case.  However, there is the added factor of the 'magic number', at which that person wins the nomination uncontested.

Now, I haven't taken a close look at the number of delegates remaining vs. the number of Superdelegates, etc - but simply giving both HRC and BO 50% if the delegates puts them both that much closer to the 'magic number' - and if BO is closer to start with, that means he needs 50 fewer Supers to secure the nomination.

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MLK might weep at this candidate (5.00 / 2) (#179)
by Cream City on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:23:28 PM EST
being the one to abuse the Voting Rights Act. Wonder what John Lewis thinks of this. . . .

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Nope (none / 0) (#83)
by waldenpond on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:52:22 AM EST
The credential committee is divided in to 3 camps.  Obama, Clinton and Dean.  No one can get a majority.  Obama has enough to block Clinton from seating them as is, Clinton has enough to block Obama/Dean from a 50/50 split.

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Furthermore (none / 0) (#140)
by ineedalife on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 12:18:55 PM EST
I could be wrong but can't a minority bloc force a floor fight? I thought you needed a super-majority (>80) to force anything through.  So nothing can be done without a consensus if the route is through the convention committees.

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Yep (none / 0) (#160)
by waldenpond on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:05:07 PM EST
Yes. Obama, even with the support of Dean's contingent, can be blocked by Clinton.  

It's my understanding that the credentials committee deals with seating the stripped delegates.  Obama wants to split 50/50.  Clinton says no.  Clinton them seated as is.  Obama says no.  Neither can get enough votes to override the other.

I think the only option to get delegates seated is a re-vote.  Clinton can get a majority on the 28 panel Rules committee which decides which type of re-vote is approved.  He wants a caucus.  I don't think he can get it.  Clinton wants a full primary.  I think she can get it by the rules committee, but I don't think she will get it.

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