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Yes, The DLC 'Supports' Obama | 221 comments (221 topical)
Yep, and they need to compare Ford vs (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Teresa on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:28:50 AM EST
Cooper. I'll take Ford anyday. Had he represented a blue state like Obama does, they'd be very similar. They preach exactly the same unity message.

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Except that when Ford (5.00 / 4) (#22)
by andgarden on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:31:11 AM EST
did his "I love Jesus" campaigning , he was criticized on Daily Kos.

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Obama was excoriated on DKos (5.00 / 4) (#34)
by Cream City on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:37:32 AM EST
in a diary there, before he was anointed by Markos.

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That was me (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:38:56 AM EST
I excoriated him.

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Before he was anoited and (none / 0) (#92)
by BarnBabe on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:05:23 PM EST
then discarded after he lost and became head of the DLC. And that is what is scary about mob rule. No one looks at what the candidate is actually saying or not saying. They just start shouting and stoning the other person.

Marcos said when he was getting ready to cast his absentee ballot why he was going to choose Obama. It was a process of elimination. He could not go for Edwards only because he was taking Federal funds. He liked Hillary personally but could not go for her because of the group she represented. He decided to go for Obama although he had reservations about him. He said that after listening to Obama speak, he was always left wondering if he had said anything. That there was no substance to the speech. People forget he was the one to say that. So even he is favoring the person he thinks can win which is exactly why he anoited Ford.

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Harold Ford is terrible (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:22:11 PM EST
Sorry, he is.

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I agree once again (5.00 / 1) (#181)
by BarnBabe on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 01:04:24 PM EST
When he was running, I was like everyone else. We go with the candidate that we think has a chance of winning. I was appalled at any racial slurs against him. But when I would listen to him being interviewed or giving a speech, I was wondering if he was the right candidate. I knew he had the best chance of winning but I did not see him as a very strong Senator. I really was surprised to see him elected to the head of the DLC.

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Kos had no love for Edwards (none / 0) (#116)
by Josey on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:21:21 PM EST
even BEFORE he accepted public financing.

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That explains everything. (none / 0) (#158)
by oculus on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:50:06 PM EST


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Ford just said on TeeVee (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by andrewwm on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:35:40 AM EST
That Chris Shays was the best representative in Congress. It's one thing to be a moderate in a moderate state. It's another to attack the party and actively undermine it, as Ford has a history of doing.

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Yes indeed (5.00 / 6) (#37)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:38:34 AM EST
It is bad to criticize the Dem Party. I HATE it when Dem candidates make the "pox on both houses" argument and decry "partisanship" as if both parites are equally at fault.

Now can you think of a Presidential candidate that has done that? Hmmm?

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Yes (none / 0) (#55)
by andrewwm on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:43:21 AM EST
because Obama has a history of saying that the Democrats are also at fault...oh wait he hasn't ever said that actually.

He's said consistently that people want to move in a progressive direction and that only by unifying the population will we be able to overcome Republican interests in Washington.

Believe it or not, but he's never said it's the Democrats fault (except maybe to call out the sell-out Dems, which I have no problem with).

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There must be two Obamas running. The (5.00 / 4) (#59)
by Teresa on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:45:40 AM EST
one you heard, I like much better than the one I hear.

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You must be joking (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:51:59 AM EST
Seriously you must be joking.

I have written constantly about his saying JUST THAT.

Excuse me but you suffer from blind love.

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No, BTD is right (5.00 / 1) (#78)
by Virginian on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 11:58:42 AM EST
below is a "pox on both the houses" snippet w/ link and that was a quick search, his rhetoric very much lets the Republicans off the hook with the "everyone" is at fault logic

In effect, this seems to lift some of the blame for the war from the Bush administration and place it on the backs of Democrats, an unlikely tack in a Democratic primary. "There are those who offer up easy answers. They will assert that Iraq is George Bush's war, it's all his fault. Or that Iraq was botched by the arrogance and incompetence of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney," Obama said in Coralville. "The hard truth is that the war in Iraq is not about a catalogue of many mistakes -- it is about one big mistake. The war in Iraq should never have been fought."

Obama offered a similar argument two days later at a Boys and Girls Club in Waterloo, saying that the country was "failed by a president who didn't tell the whole truth" but that it was "also failed" by the rest of the D.C. establishment. But the crowd broke into such loud applause after his charge against Bush that his broader criticism of the Washington system sounded like an afterthought. Similarly, those moments on the trail when he allows himself to take clear shots at Bush -- on issues such as torture, military contractors and education funding -- tend to win him his loudest cheers.



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I hate it about the Iraq War vote (5.00 / 2) (#111)
by BarnBabe on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:19:29 PM EST
Kennedy, who was in the Senate when voting for the Iraq War, could say that Hillary, Kerry, and Edwards should be forever spanked because they voted Yes based on the doctored information that was presented to them.94 Senators voted for the possibility of going for war as a united strength. I suspect that if Obama was sitting in that chamber that day, he would have voted on the war based upon that same information. I even might have. So when he says he was against it and was not even in the Senate at the time, I just feel like yelling at him that he didn't get to vote because he was not there and didn't know the facts that they had been given. It is not a fair argument and he gets a pass on this all the time. I can say this because I saw him take a vote only after Hillary voted. Why wouldn't he be the first one up there? He is waiting. He seems like a future leader, but right now I think he is still a follower. He makes his vote different only when he knows it does not matter.

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To me it is similar to people (5.00 / 2) (#164)
by oculus on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:53:24 PM EST
criticizing a jury verdict when they weren't on the jury, didn't hear the evidence, etc.

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So... (none / 0) (#169)
by andrewwm on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:57:15 PM EST
why did a majority of Dems in the House vote against the war, and also almost all of the Dems in the Senate that actually read the intelligence completely?

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that the case for war was using cooked intelligence. Even I knew that back then. Clinton took probably an opportunistic political stance to the right on the most important issue in Bush's administration. And she refuses to apologize for it.

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He's right (none / 0) (#167)
by andrewwm on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 12:55:21 PM EST
the Democrats really screwed up by not opposing the Iraq War. He's calling out the moderate Dems that gave Bush a free pass. I am totally fine with this kind of criticism.

It's criticism from the right against Dems by Dems that I have an issue with. I have not seen Obama do this in any concerted way.

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Yes, The DLC 'Supports' Obama | 221 comments (221 topical)

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