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Clinton Rules (5.00 / 6) (#10)
by marirebel on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:05:26 PM EST
Part of the problem is that Obama himself consistently applies Clinton rules.  He often refers to Hillary as "divisive," even though she won her Senate seat with the support of traditionally Republican counties in New York.  More, she has effectively worked in the Senate across the aisle, even with notoriously conservative Senators like Orin Hatch.  Hillary has a proven record of being able to facilitate alliances across significant differences.  So whay is she divisive?  Because some right-wing hatemongers hate her?  Well, one particularly vociferous and hateful member of this group, Coulter, has said she will campaign for Hillary.  And, should we have backed-off civil rights because many right wingers hated King?  Obama also refers to Hillary as the "status quo."  Isn't Bush the status quo?  And didn't part of the Clinton hate arise in the context of the Arkansas country bumpkins disturbing the Washington elite, i.e., being outside the status quo?  Then of course there is the dastardly "Clinton machine."  Obama did not get this far without a well-organized cadre of experts, strategists and workers working on his behalf.  I guess he has the Obama machine (though he doesn't speak of it)--and from what I've seen in the blogosphere, it's pretty damn mean!

Yes, let's hear the candidates talk about issues and stop with the false characterizations.  And, yes, more debates are good. I have only seen one debate where these two candidates alone are able to articulate their positions and their differences.  

Obama tactic (5.00 / 3) (#24)
by Stellaaa on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:20:09 PM EST
What Obama, his surrogates and his supporters have done is lash out. They have defined change to mean from Democrats and Republicans. In his effort to brand himself as different, even though he is a politician with a machine, he has demonized his fellow Democrat. In order for Obama to win, he had to demonize Hillary. The demonization of Hillary, was easy, he picked up the Republican Clinton hate book and added some distortions like the "he was against the war", the alleged better judgement, the anti dynastic mantra aided by the self proclaimed progressive blogs. In the Obama and blogosphere ego orgy, we have wounded the Democratic Agenda. Frankly, this is not how you build a party or movement.

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Stellaaa (5.00 / 1) (#95)
by tek on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:51:53 PM EST
This is exactly what I told a friend this weekend who is supporting Obama. He just couldn't believe I'm still supporting Hillary and had to know why and why didn't I like Obama? It reminds me of evangelicals who are trying to convert you.

I told him that what bothers me is Obama's strategy to get the nomination is to destroy Clinton and to do that he has to destroy the Clinton legacy. He is perfectly willing to do that, even though millions of Democrats love the Clintons, so in essence he is demonizing his fellow Democrats.

Of course, my friend denied that Obama is trying to destroy Clinton (!!), that there is any unfair bias against Clinton and that Obama is using any dirty tricks. I said I think it's possible that Obama will pick up some Republicans but lose half the Democrats.

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Why Hillary appeals to conservatives (none / 0) (#226)
by SandyK on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:28:03 PM EST
Because she's a safe bet.

I'm a conservative, but I'm crossing the line because of not only gender, my own side's candidate is m-a-d (he's ready to push Russia out of the G-8 and mess with their internal affairs...WWIV anyone?).

Obama I don't know -- little voting history; no political experience other than local; and yes, his age. And he screams the word "CHANGE" too much.

Hillary is the only stable candidate in the mix that isn't preaching extremism. The radical left is touting Obama, and for me that's fine. I want a president that can be presidential and not have to waste time learning how to be presidential (as he sure doesn't have the experience).

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