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Good but please clarify (none / 0) (#2)
by Saul on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:12:34 PM EST
Is the SC just going to hear on whether the method of execution violates the 8th amendment or are they going to decide if execution period is wrong and should be stopped. If its the former than that does not do anything.  They will just find another way that's agreeable with the court to execute.  Never understood why they think that capital punishment is a deterant of crime.  When someone is committing a crime that person does not stop and say "Hold on here, if I continue with this crime according to Title 1 section 6 I could be put to death"  Passion knows no reason.

crimes of passion? In fact, are any?

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Yes (none / 0) (#4)
by Saul on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:35:28 PM EST
I think so.  I think that most of the murders have anger involved.  Yes they are some that are just cold blooded with no ryhme or reason but I think for the most part all murders are crimes of passion.

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Do some googling (none / 0) (#5)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:03:10 PM EST
many, if not most, DR inmates are the worst of the worst. They killed because they could because they wanted to. Sometimes they were "angry," sometimes not - as if that matters.

Various Death Row inmates:

Williams, 51, a co-founder of the Crips gang in Los Angeles, was sentenced to death for murdering a convenience store clerk in Whittier (Los Angeles County) and two motel owners and their daughter during robberies in 1979.
As of April 2003, there were 610 people under death sentence in California [PDF]. [...] Another is Ricardo Rene Sanders, who gunned down over a dozen people during a robbery of a Big Boy restaurant in 1980.
Summary: Woods, Greg Sloan, and Pat Sweet went to the home of Juan Placencia in Garrett, Indiana to steal a television. Woods was armed with a knife. Sweet stayed in the yard, while Woods and Sloan rang the doorbell. When Placencia answered Woods immediately jumped in and stabbed him with the knife. When he fell back and asked for help, Woods then stabbed him again repeatedly and took money from his wallet.
7 year old Tamika and her 9 year old niece, Annie, were walking back from the candy store to their home when they were confronted by Brown and Alton Coleman. Brown and Coleman convinced them to walk into the woods to play a game. Once there, they removed Tamika's shirt and tore it into small strips which they used to bind and gag the children. When Tamika began to cry, Brown held her nose and mouth while Coleman stomped on her chest. After carrying Tamika a short distance away, Annie was forced to perform oral sex on both Brown and Coleman, then Coleman raped her. Brown and Coleman then choked her until she was unconscious. When she awoke, they were gone. Tamika was found dead in the bushes nearby, strangled with an elastic strip of bedsheet.
Summary: Muncie Police Officers were dispatched to a traffic accident and observed an abandoned utility truck. The truck was towed and Lambert was found nearby crawling under a vehicle. Lambert had spent most of the night getting drunk and after telling officers he was trying to sleep, was arrested by Officer Kirk Mace for Public Intoxication. He was patted down and placed into the back of a police car driven by Officer Gregg Winters for transport to jail. A few minutes later, the police vehicle was observed sliding off the road into a ditch. Lambert was still handcuffed in the backseat and Officer Winters had been shot 5 times in the back of the head and neck. A .25 handgun was found laying on the floorboard. It was later learned that Lambert had stolen the .25 pistol from his employer.
Summary: Jay and Kathy Tyler picked up Brandy Southard from her work in Evansville and were chased by Stephenson to an intersection in rural Warrick County, where he emptied a 30 round SKS Assault Rifle into the pickup truck and their bodies. Each were then stabbed repeatedly. Stephenson was also convicted of the earlier Burglary and Theft from Southard's residence.

Zachary Snider, age 10, lived in the same subdivision and was often seen in the company of the 20 year old Stevens. Stevens attended and videotaped one of Zachary's little league baseball games. Zachary's father eventually warned Stevens to stay away from his son when he learned that Stevens had taken the boy fishing. A month later, Zachary turned up missing one afternoon. He was last seen at a young friend's home, who was told by Zachary that he was going to Stevens' home. In the midst of a massive local search for Zachary, Stevens' brother reported to police that Stevens had confessed to him that he murdered Zachary. He then directed police to a remote location near a bridge, where Zachary's body and bicycle were recovered. Stevens was arrested and gave a complete confession. He claimed that he had been having sex with Zachary for 2 or 3 months. When Zachary came over to his house, they performed oral sex in Stevens' room. Zachary threatened to tell his parents about having sex and Stevens decided he did not want to go through what he went through in Marion County. Stevens smothered Zachary with a pillow, then strangled him with an electrical cord around his neck. When Zachary continued to gasp, Stevens got a plastic garbage bag and wrapped it over his head. He then put Zachary and his bicycle in the car, drove to a bridge in a remote area, and threw them both over. He returned the next morning, fearing that police would connect him to the trash bag, removed it from Zachary's head, and threw it out along the highway on the way home. A similar bag was recovered by police in the area described by Stevens. Stevens later admitted to psychologists that he had molested 25-30 children, and had ejaculated on Zachary when he killed him.

That's generally who capital punishment is reserved for.

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That may be true. (none / 0) (#6)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:21:06 PM EST
It's no reason to torture them to death though.

Even a crazed pit bull or other type of dog that kills or harms a human is put down more painlessly than people executed by lethal infection are.

And I've never heard of a dog, innocent of hurting a human, accused of it and convicted on the slim-ness of evidence that some death row inmates have been convicted on and put down.

It all comes back to revenge and bloodthirst - the lousiest justifications for the death penalty there are...

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Did I say it was a reason (none / 0) (#8)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:25:35 PM EST
to torture them to death?

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No (none / 0) (#9)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 03:26:43 PM EST


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Prove your (none / 0) (#11)
by Wile ECoyote on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 04:39:47 PM EST
statement.  How do you know pit bulls are put down more painlessly than people executed by lethal injection.  Dr. Pou, where are you?

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Well, I'll tell you what, wile (none / 0) (#12)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 04:50:06 PM EST
About three weeks ago I had a medical procedure done that required general anasthetic. When the ansthesiologist started the drip I felt it like a very hot fire burning up the vein  in my arm and I heard him say "you'll be asleep in a few mome........ Mr. "___" your operation is over - just lie here for awhile and we'll get you back to your ward".

It was that fast. They could have cut my head off while I was out and I never would have felt a thing.

Animal Euthanasia

Pets are almost always euthanized via intravenous injection, typically a very high dose of a barbiturate such as pentobarbital. Unconsciousness, respiratory then cardiac arrest follow rapidly, usually within 30 seconds[2]. Observers generally describe it as a quick and peaceful death.

Some veterinarians perform a two-stage process: An initial injection that simply renders the pet unconscious and a second shot that induces death. This allows the owner the chance to say goodbye to a live pet without their emotions stressing the pet.

It took eight minutes for Frances Newton to die from the time they pumped the chemicals in her.

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Having actually euthanized animals (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by Jen M on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:18:09 PM EST
for the past 20 years, I can tell you the euthanasia solutions work very quickly. Unless the vet draws up an insufficient amount, the dog or cat or whatever is gone in a few seconds.

ONE drug. ONE shot. Gone.

I never understood this three drug thing. And a paralytic? first? The only reason I could ever figure was they wanted some elaborate ritual thing.  

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the issue isn't how vet's kill (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by allwrits on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:37:38 PM EST
Most states have outlawed the drugs at issue here for use in animals.

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it is remotely possible (none / 0) (#23)
by Jen M on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:49:44 PM EST
I'm not sure, mind but there is a tiny possibility that someone said prove pitbulls are put down more humanely than people put to death by lethal injection.

And beauthanasia is still in use.

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I think allwrits meant that (none / 0) (#25)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:59:47 PM EST
lethal injection drugs have been outlawed for animal euthanasia...

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we use them (none / 0) (#26)
by Jen M on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 07:07:36 PM EST
its faster than anything else. Exanguination is pretty quick, but messy. Forget hammer on the head thing, thats just disgusting. And we certainly don't want to use gas, or decompression - expensive equipment.

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I wonder then (none / 0) (#27)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 07:21:42 PM EST
why the drugs are so slow acting in human execution, and why so apparently painful?

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different drugs (none / 0) (#30)
by Jen M on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 05:39:45 PM EST


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As I understand it from things I've read (none / 0) (#17)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:21:44 PM EST
the paralytic has no pain dampening effect. They just cannot move, no matter how much pain the other drugs cause.

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no (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Jen M on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:24:31 PM EST
it doesn't. Its a paralytic and thats it. It should be given after the analgesic. Even after the anesthesia. Unless you are giving a cocktail.

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It would seem that lethal injection (none / 0) (#20)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:29:47 PM EST
is nothing more than sadistic barbarism, that sane people would not inflict on even an animal....

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Less outrage caused (none / 0) (#18)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:24:02 PM EST
than strapping them into an immobilized position and gagging them so they can't scream?

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What are the weight of the pets? (1.00 / 1) (#14)
by Wile ECoyote on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 05:12:54 PM EST
Like I say, call Dr. Pou. get her mix of chemicals.

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Why bother? (none / 0) (#15)
by Edger on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 05:25:44 PM EST
The anesthetic had my out like a light in less than 10 seconds.

Try to pay attention wile....

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except they don't kill people with the same drugs (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by allwrits on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:56:44 PM EST
They don't kill people with the same drugs that they kill animals with. The chemicals used to kill people are banned in most states for animals.  My understanding is that the lethal injection drug combination was basically worked out on a cocktail napkin 25+ years ago and never seriously studied since.

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