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jondee (1.00 / 1) (#6)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 05:33:58 PM EST
In see that you have become one with squeaky.

  1. I have never been negative towards the Red Cross and have never referred to any act as "hazing."

  2. I have asked for someone to tell me that placing women's panties on the head of a prisoner is torture, and to define torture.

In the meantime you smear without facts, and offer no proof that what the man who planned 9/11 claims is true.

Why you want to take his word I will let the audience decide.

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every human being (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Jen M on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 07:02:52 AM EST
knows torture when they feel it.

Decent Human beings know it when they see it.

You sure you want to keep insisting on a definition?

"give us a definition" = "give us a list so we can do what isn't on it to extremes that equal torture"

  • Do you want it done unto you?  no?
  • Would you give up your friends and family to make it stop?  yes?

well then

As for ladie's underwear on the head, thats the kind of thing that might be less humiliating in our culture than another. (which, of course, you've been to enough of the world to know)

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Jen M (1.00 / 1) (#8)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 09:18:34 AM EST
You are the ones who keep claiming that these people have been tortured, with, best I can tell, no proof beyond their claims.

Absent of other proof, I base my acceptance of what people tell me on their past actions. These people have demonstrated their hatred  of us, our culture and their desire to kill and terrorize us into bending to their will and accepting their demands that we accept Shari law.

I have very little sympathy for them.

Much of what has been described can best be described as humilation and threats designed to break their will. I refer to the "panties on the head," "dog collars," etc.

You ask that I define torture.

Standing in a window hundreds of feet above the street in a WTC tower trying to decide if I want to be burned to death or jump to my death.

Watching a Flight Attendant having her throat cut with a box cutter.

Calling my wife and telling her to remember I love her as the airplane dives towards the ground.

Being stoned to death because I am accused of adultery.

Knowing that I am to be hung for the crime of rape while the man who raped me is going to be set me.

Your turn.

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here's a few (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Sailor on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 12:30:13 PM EST
murdering innocent civilians
raping women and murdering their families
dropping bombs on civilians
mercenaries shooting civilians at will
committing fratricide and lying about it from the WH on down
invading a country that had no WMDs and no ability to harm the US
destroying the infrastructure of a whole nation and then stealing the $$ meant for rebuilding it.
Losing track of 30% of the arms meant for iraqi military and police
torture in gitmo and abu ghraib
kidnapping
secret prisons

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sailor loves strawmen (1.00 / 1) (#11)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 01:04:11 PM EST
What you have provided is a grab bag of nonsense, repeating unproven charges and mixing them in with criminal acts that we condemn and punish and acts of war.

The acts I described are acts that are approved of by the society in which they were made and/or done by what is acknowledged as acts of terror by radical Moslems, with no framework of declared war and done so as admitted acts of terror to force people to bend to their will.

There is no anti-terrorist group in Iran, SA, Palestibe, Lebannon or other predominatlt Islamic countries.

Your failure to understand is understood. Your complaints speak volumes.

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ppj loves him some strawmen (5.00 / 0) (#16)
by Sailor on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 05:02:32 PM EST
The acts I described are acts that are approved of by the society in which they were made
wrong, they are approved by YOU, but then you approved of saddam and the taliban so we know where your sensibilities lie.

Your constant endorsement of humiliation, torturers, kidnapping, spying on Americans reveal you for the America hater you are.

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I love it when you go over the edge. (1.00 / 0) (#17)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 04:34:03 PM EST
wrong, they are approved by YOU, but then you approved of saddam and the taliban so we know where your sensibilities lie.

Got links????

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Are you denying you approved of ... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Sailor on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 05:03:52 PM EST
... supporting the Taliban and Saddam?

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[crickets] from ppj (none / 0) (#22)
by Sailor on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 11:39:08 AM EST


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In short: (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by jondee on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 01:06:21 PM EST
My Country Tis of Thee can never torture or committ murder even if it does; not as long as the ends justify the means and people like Jim keep their eyes shut and their ears plugged.

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Did you miss this?? (1.00 / 1) (#20)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 04:37:49 PM EST
What you have provided is a grab bag of nonsense, repeating unproven charges and mixing them in with criminal acts that we condemn and punish and acts of war.

The acts I described are acts that are approved of by the society in which they were made and/or done by what is acknowledged as acts of terror by radical Moslems, with no framework of declared war and done so as admitted acts of terror to force people to bend to their will.

There is no anti-terrorist group in Iran, SA, Palestibe, Lebannon or other predominatlt Islamic countries.

Your failure to understand is understood. Your complaints speak volumes.



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How does this justify torture (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Molly Bloom on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 01:24:26 PM EST
committed in our names by Dear Leader George?

Really, the issue is living up to our standards of conduct, not living down to theirs. Experts have testified repeatedly that torture doesn't work. Links have ben provided on this website more than once to the issues of this post.

Why do you hate American values?

Didn't your momma raise your right so you know that 2 wrongs don't make a right?

Did you forget the Christ's commandment, do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Really Jim, I hope you are better than this.  


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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MB (1.00 / 0) (#18)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 04:35:09 PM EST
I never discuss how I was raised.

In your case, you don't have to.

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Why? Are you ashamed of it? (none / 0) (#23)
by Molly Bloom on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 01:32:51 PM EST

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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People beaten to death (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by jondee on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 01:00:12 PM EST
Halogen tubes up the rectum..all verified. In other words, the substance of the mans testimony conforms to a pattern that everyone but you is already aware of; just as your pathetic denials and outright lies conform to a pattern.

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Jone also loves strawmen (1.00 / 1) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 01:09:29 PM EST
Not to be nasty, but there is something called "links" by which you can prove a point.

And when you do, if you can, you will see that we did not condone theseb acts, and punished those that did.

As I just noted. There are no anti-war groups in the predominatly Moslem ME.

That should tell you this. The moderate Moslems have been silenced by the radical Moslems.

In the meantime, tell me why I should believe the good and gracious Khalid Sheikh Mohammed about anything except his desire to destroy me.

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There is also something (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by jondee on Tue Aug 07, 2007 at 03:57:33 PM EST
called reality, which you ignore as completely as you ignore other peoples links.

If "these acts" are part of official procedure, then they're already condoned; what people like you "dont condone" is those who get caught with no plausible deniability.

In the meantime, please carry on with the cowardly, dishonest "define torture" and "panties on the head" tap dance, so everyone can see how much mmore morally advanced you are than the terrorists.

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Did you miss this?? (1.00 / 1) (#19)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 08, 2007 at 04:35:57 PM EST
In the meantime, tell me why I should believe the good and gracious Khalid Sheikh Mohammed about anything except his desire to destroy me.


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Proof that (5.00 / 0) (#24)
by jondee on Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 01:47:27 PM EST
even terrorists can be right some of the time.

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