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Pain (none / 0) (#5)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 04:00:41 PM EST
Force-feeding is painful.

I'm told starvation is a similarly painful experience. The point is not to inflict pain. The point is to keep the prisoners healthy, even against their will.

It's a tough situation with no good solutions: let them starve or force-feed them.

Some people would claim there is a third option: release. However, they don't have a very convincing argument that this is a "good" option.

pain - point by point (5.00 / 0) (#13)
by Sailor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 04:40:04 PM EST
I'm told starvation is a similarly painful experience.
Do you not understand the difference between a choice and not a choice? (ppst, it's called 'freedom'; the last one they have left. Personally, I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.)

Some people would claim there is a third option: release. However, they don't have a very convincing argument that this is a "good" option.
What have they been charged with? You don't have a 'convincing argument' when you have no idea when/how/why they were kidnapped and put in a prison camp by bush that was deliberately chosen to be outside the US territory.

Did it ever strike you as odd/ironic that bush chose a communist country in which to hold these people?

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sailor - point by point (1.00 / 0) (#14)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:16:53 PM EST
ppst, it's called 'freedom'; the last one they have left.

::whisper:: Actually it's not; case in point.

What have they been charged with?

As we've been over before, international law says combatants can be held until the cessation of hostilities. (It also forbids charging POWs for fighting for their country.) Combatants can challenge their detentions at CSRBs and if they think them inadequate they can appeal to the courts.

Did it ever strike you as odd/ironic that bush chose a communist country in which to hold these people?

No, I can't say that it did.

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Dying with dignity (5.00 / 0) (#15)
by Sailor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:32:41 PM EST
The fact that you defend Americans torturing people in a communist country pretty much says it all about you.

AMA, UMA, and the Conventions Against Torture disagree with you, as do I.

p.s. CSRBs are a bushco invention, the GenCons say a neutral body.

p.p.s. The kidnapped folks can't challenge their imprisonment ... except in a secret hearing in which their 'lawyers' can't see the evidence against them and can't tell anyone else about it. And even when found not to be 'terrorists' the decision gets overturned by uhhh, someone, and then they are removed from the csrb and a more bushlike judge is put in their place.

You have a very peculiar definition of freedom.

If only on one point I agree with the folks in GitMo; I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

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Sailor says... (1.00 / 0) (#18)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:43:01 PM EST
BTW - I find it extremely difficult to believe that the American Medical Association would think it ethical for us to let a prisioner in our care starve themselves to death when we have the means to prevent it.

Pleasde provide some links.

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I provided plenty of links ... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Sailor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:59:54 PM EST
... you just have a willfull ignorance and inability to comprehend simple english.

But once again, I give others without your self-imposed disabilities, these 11,000+ articles IRT the AMA being against force feeding.

p.s. Your love of torture and kidnapping has been documented many times, I refuse to respond further to your inhuman fetishes.

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Not that it will help... (1.00 / 0) (#20)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:39:03 PM EST
I shall have to tell the AMA how disgusted I am with them.

Will their next agenda be mercy killings?

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Let me see... I am against assisting suicide. (1.00 / 0) (#21)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:49:58 PM EST
You are not.

And you claim to be on the side of the angels??

Heh and wow.

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Wha? (1.00 / 0) (#23)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:59:45 PM EST
The fact that you defend Americans torturing people in a communist country pretty much says it all about you.

I've never defended torture and consistently written that it is illegal under domestic and international law.

p.s. CSRBs are a bushco invention, the GenCons say a neutral body.

The federal courts disagree so far. If you don't like them, I encourage you to send money to support detainee challenges.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

I would rather do neither.

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force feeding is torture (5.00 / 0) (#27)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 01:12:17 AM EST
you endorse force feeding by bush when it is done in a communist country.

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That's interesting (none / 0) (#16)
by Al on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:38:26 PM EST
Now they're combatants under international law.

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Combatants. (none / 0) (#22)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 06:56:48 PM EST
Al, they've never not been combatants under international law. You can search in that little box over --> for the many comments I've made on the subject. Or you can always read O'Connor's opinion in Hamdi.

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Sailor loves strawmen (1.00 / 0) (#17)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 05:39:33 PM EST
Actually when we took them under our care, we became responsible for them.

Assisted suicide is against the law. The lack of action to feed them when we could, would be de facto suicide assistance.

If you disagree with that kindly quit complaining about alleged torture, etc.

As for "catch and release"

"Of the people that we've released, we've captured a number of them or killed a number of them back on the battlefield in Afghanistan," Hunter, R-Calif., told FOX News on Sunday. "The question is, are we liberal enough in the application of our standards that determine who we release back into the world. I think some American parents who have kids out there would argue we're too liberal."

Citing a memo prepared for him by his staff, Hunter proceeded to discuss some of the at least 10 detainees who have been released from Guantanamo Bay, or Gitmo, only to re-join the fight against the U.S. coalition bringing democracy to Afghanistan.

Among the names listed in the memo is Mohammed Yusif Yaqeb (search), also known as Mullah Shazada. Yaqeb was released in May 2003. He proceeded to become the head of Taliban (search) operations in southern Afghanistan and was killed one year later in a fight with U.S. forces.

Does getting caught twice count??"

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the AMA disagrees with you (5.00 / 0) (#33)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 01:40:06 PM EST
and relying on a known liar like duncan hunter ranting to a known wrongwing outlet like faux news is typical of your cherry picking things and going off topic. It's about force feeding, which is torture.

BTW, here's more about those allegations of folks being recaptured. Note how many of the lies were disproven and the rest were made by anonymous bushco officials.

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Walt (1.00 / 1) (#29)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 08:06:32 AM EST
Nope, my point was that we have released people that we should not. And that no matter what you call them, they are enemies who want to attack us.

That you seem to be unable to recohnize that is sad, but then you aren't the one who has to fight them.

Sleep well. Some tough hard soldier is doing it for you.

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W66 (1.00 / 1) (#31)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:53:51 AM EST
I would call it responding to political pressure by the anti-Bush Left.

And damn costly that pressure turned out to be, eh??

And since we live in the present, why don't you start supportung the troops by supporting the war rather continually talking about the past.

BTW - Can you think of mistakes made in WWII??

Do you think we should have quit because Ike wouldn't let Patton drive on to Berlin in the Fall of '44??

Do you think we should have quit becaise of the mistake after mistake we made during the Civil War??

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GM (1.00 / 0) (#12)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 12, 2007 at 04:38:42 PM EST
Especially since some of those released have been caught the second time.

Kinda like a "Catch and Release" program for some fish.

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really, you got proof of that? (none / 0) (#32)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 01:31:39 PM EST
Or just anonymous allegations and non-specific rants by proven rethuglian liars?

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Sailor only believes what the Left says. (1.00 / 0) (#34)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 03:25:00 PM EST
Nope. I have no quotes from MoveOn or Kos.

Sorry, you'll just have to accept a quote from a real sure enough news network.

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it was a quote from faux news ... (5.00 / 0) (#36)
by Sailor on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 03:49:42 PM EST
... made by a known rethuglican liar who also claimed to have found the missing WMDs in iraq, something even the pentagon denied.

But thanks for playing.

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Sailor loves starwmen (none / 0) (#38)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 13, 2007 at 11:32:45 PM EST
And, of course, you can not prove it wrong so you make outrageous claims.

We know you.

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