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by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 08:40:42 AM EST
I am sad.

We need NHC.

Having Moore as a spokesperson is the kiss of death. He is too interested in winning each point.

i.e. Re the government:

Our parents and grandparents get their checks every single month on time and for the correct amount.

Not true and anyone who wanted to could find many, many ancedotal instances where the amount was wrong and then tell of the difficulties in correcting it.

We had FDR, who defeated the Nazis and then the Japanese and Mussolini in less time than it's taken us to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

Yes, and we also had a 100% united country that brooked no protests, had a draft, censored individual letters and news from the battle fronts, put Japanese citzens in camps, used military tribunals, rationed gas, sugar, auto tires, cooking oil, etc.. And, at the end when faced with huge lossess if we invaded Japan we used the nuclear option.

(Please let's don't into an argument over the above. I'm just saying that's what the Right will say.)

In addition his exchange saying:

MOORE: It is free.

GUPTA: You pay for it through taxes --

MOORE: It is free.

GUPTA: I mean, in France, there's a 13.5 percent --

MOORE: Yes. We pay for it --

GUPTA: -- payroll tax.

MOORE: We pay.

That will make a perfect commercial showing a rational Gipta, an incorrect Moore, a rational Gupta showing Moore wrong, and Moore admitting to being wrong.

Moore will run off the middle and stiffen the Conservatives.

Plus, arguing over who has the "best" system is counterproductive. The real question is what it will cost and how will we pay for it.

Pay roll taxes in England and Canada are sky high and will allow the opposition to correctly claim the middle class is paying for everyone else. If you don't solve that issue up front, NHC is dead on arrival.

Taxes in Britain are not "sky high". (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Avedon on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:46:36 AM EST
Here's another thing they don't tell you about taxes in Britain: There are no local income taxes.  The national income tax we pay is the only income tax we pay.

And we don't sit around whining about our taxes, because at the end of the day, anyone who makes the equivalent of $60K a year can support a household comfortably in London - and never worry about healthcare.  In fact, I know quite a few people who live very nicely on half that.  In London.

And again: You are already paying as much in taxes for the American healthcare system as we are - but you have to pay again to actually receive healthcare.  We don't have to do that over here.

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Avedon (1.00 / 0) (#34)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:47:22 PM EST
And again: You are already paying as much in taxes for the American healthcare system as we are - but you have to pay again to actually receive healthcare.  We don't have to do that over here.

As I said, that sounds interesting. Do you have any back up? It would be a great point.

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repubs killed NHC ... (none / 0) (#25)
by Sailor on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:49:15 PM EST
... just like they're killing expanding children's health care.

Only moore is bringing it to people's attention and reigniting the nat'l debate.

Having Moore as a spokesperson is the kiss of death.
only to you and people who wouldn't vote for NHC anyway. Your prejudice against moore belies the fact that he has had the 2 highest opening weekends for documentaries. He's extremely popular and focuses debate national debate on a subject that has been ignored since the rethugs shot down clinton's plan.

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Sailor (1.00 / 0) (#30)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:13:59 PM EST
I have written in support of NHC for years, and the comments are in the archives.

My concern over Moore is as I stated. He turns people off. We don't need that. We need people listening and understanding the problem, and why it needs to be solved, now.

That you apparently don't understand the cost to the individuals, as well as to the cost to the economy by depressing new start ups, is a problem, if you truly want to be part of the solution, you need to correct.

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The Kiss Of Death? (none / 0) (#26)
by squeaky on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 01:03:13 PM EST
Your prediction for Fahrenheit 9/11 was that Moore and his movie would be the kiss of death for the mid term elections.

How did that pan out, ppj.

hahahahahahahaha

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squeaky (1.00 / 0) (#31)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 09:19:42 PM EST
Hmmmmm. Did I say that?? It's possible, us elderly citizens in need of NHC sometimes have memory lapses...

But could I have some proof?? Not that I don't trust you...

Ah the heck with it. No. I don't trust you.

;-)

Especially since you have confessed you don't need facts to smear someone.

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PPJ I do sympathize with you (none / 0) (#35)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:49:43 PM EST
it must be very difficult to keep track of all your predictions, especially when they don't come true, like those you made about the outcome of last years' mid-terms like you did here:

the Demos will absolutely loose the election.

Link


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DA - Let me help you (1.00 / 0) (#38)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:37:56 AM EST
Hmmm, well, if I keep on making inaccurate political predictions I can manage a Demo's losing Presidential Campaign.. But to be acurate, I think you need to go to the source of the quote, not the apparently misleading link you provided.

Here it is:

Re: Sully and Lehman Embrace "Fake But Accurate"  
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 09, 2006 at 07:39:14 AM EST
Now the Right has struck back. How accurate is the movie? At least as, and probably more than Moore's paean to ignorance, out of context nonsense and propaganda. Will it harm the Demo's chance at winning the House and the Senate? Probably. But if ABC knuckles under and pulls it, the Demos will absolutely loose the election.

  1. Given the slim margins many of the races were won by, I think it is proven that it harmed the Demos.

  2. Given that ABC did not pull the movie we have no way of knowing if I would have been right.

As they say... Context is everything.

Ta Ta and have a nice day!!!!!

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Sorry, PPJ (none / 0) (#43)
by Dark Avenger on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 12:15:26 PM EST
but the fact is that in many threads you predicted that the Democrats would loose the mid-term elections, and of course, ABC didn't knuckle under and pull it, so your conditional prediction didn't come true, as you pointed out, but you've made the unconditional claim many times before the 2006 election, as a casual scan of the archives would reveal to anyone who cares to look them up.

But to be acurate, I think you need to go to the source of the quote, not the apparently misleading link you provided.

Accuracy is so important, PPJ, but you've only made my case by reprinting your whole prediction, so thanks for giving et al a few laughs today.

Given the slim margins many of the races were won by, I think it is proven that it harmed the Demos.

Since there were some Republicans defeated in that election who lost by a slim margin, I can use the same logic and say that the movie helped defeat them,that without the movie they would've won. Q.E.D.

Thanks for the giggles on this one.

As they say... Context is everything.

Yes, curious how all your predictions seem to involve the 'anti-American, terrorist-hugging Left' is going to lose, and how often they don't come true.

That's the context you avoid and don't want to discuss or talk about.

Why is that?

T!

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DA - You have been proven wrong. (1.00 / 0) (#44)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 04:16:50 PM EST
Your protests are great for giggles, but hard on your creditbility which has just taken a major hit.

To prove that, if anyone uses the link you gave them, they go to a partial quote which you try and use to prove I claimed something when I clearly did not.

If they use the phrase you provided, go to advanced Goodle search for TalkLeft, they will go to:

Re: Sully and Lehman Embrace "Fake But Accurate" (none / 0) (#8)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 09, 2006 at 07:39:14 AM EST

You've trapped yourself, DA. Congrats. Enjoy the humble pie.

Ta Ta and lol

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Sorry, PPJ (none / 0) (#46)
by Dark Avenger on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 06:25:47 PM EST
but to paraphrase Shakespear

"The gentleman doth protest too much."

You should see someone at the VA for your giggles, PPJ, this isn't the appropriate forum.

I'm almost honored to give you a triumph in a life that must be unbearably petty for you to take a delight in such things.

Again, did you find the above helpful?  

T!

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DA (1.00 / 0) (#47)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 08:29:41 PM EST
What I find enjoyable is watching you be so eager to win that you do a search and find your own misquote, which you then use again.

Just deserts and all that... or...

As Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does."

Care for some milk with that pie?? No?

Scoop of ice cream??

Too busy gagging, eh??

Ta ta and lol.

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You wrote what you wrote, PPJ. (none / 0) (#48)
by Dark Avenger on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 08:45:17 PM EST
The context only makes you look less intelligent, and I tried to spare you that by quoting what I did, but you've helped me out by your nuttiness and your quoting of Forrest Gump in your recent posts, so I thank you for making my task easier than it has been in the past.

Heh, I'll quote you completely from now on even at the risk of using up bandwidth in order to do in one post what you've accomplished in a few to yourself today.

T!

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DA You embarrass yourself. (1.00 / 0) (#49)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 08:59:02 PM EST
I wrote:

But if ABC knuckles under and pulls it, the Demos will absolutely loose the election.

You quoted:

the Demos will absolutely loose the election.

Good God man. Even Dan Rather would not have tried and defend that obvious misquote and false claim.

See ya!


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I wouldn't want to be yah (none / 0) (#52)
by Dark Avenger on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:20:58 PM EST
But I must thank you for reminding me that your frequent misspelling of simple English words(as in your quote) gives me further reason to disbelieve anything you say about being born and brought up in this country, let alone being in the military other than in a low-level capacity.

Your postings only deepen my suspicions and undercut your credibility with more folks every day, so keep up the good work.

T!

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Revisionist History (none / 0) (#27)
by Slado on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 04:53:24 PM EST
I believe the intent of F9/11 was to get Kerry elected.

How'd that work out?

Hahahahahahahaha

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Squeaky (none / 0) (#40)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:59:07 AM EST
DA has struck out and Slado points out you have the wrong elections.

Wanna try again??

lol

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