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by Carolyn in Baltimore on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:18:19 PM EST
It was also pretty clear he was tortured and the DOJ tried to hide that fact. A DOJ ethics atty lost her job and reputation over that.

Mistrial and freedom for this poor guy is in order.

Carolyn - Somethings I just can't understand. (none / 0) (#4)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 05:16:33 PM EST
Do you realize that this guy was associated with the people who shot women in the back of the head for the accused "crime" of infidelity?

That wouldn't let women see a male doctor?

That wouldn't let women go to school?

Yet I bet you consider yourself a strong women's rights person.

BTW - What's your stand on abortion??

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There is no excuse (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Carolyn in Baltimore on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 05:44:20 PM EST
for how he was treated.
Yes he was captured in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban.
But there's really no evidence against him doing anything against the US, he was tortured and abused, he was not allowed to see his lawyer and the government lied about how they treated his civil rights. He is in jail because if he hadn't made a plea bargain, they were threatening to execute him.

Obviously not a great guy, but no one deserves what he got.

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You are known by the company you keep (none / 0) (#10)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 08:21:50 PM EST
As was pointed out he was fighting against the Northern Allaince, who was our ally.

And.....

Obviously not a great guy, but no one deserves what he got.

Not a great guy??? No one deserves??  

Pleaseeeeeee

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Actually ... (none / 0) (#14)
by Sailor on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 02:03:13 AM EST
... the Taliban was our ally. At what data did the NA cecome our 'ally?'

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Sailor (none / 0) (#15)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 09:10:30 AM EST
I am speechless.

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pot, meet kettle (5.00 / 5) (#6)
by Sailor on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 05:58:57 PM EST
Do you realize that this guy was associated with the people who shot women in the back of the head for the accused "crime" of infidelity?
ppj is associated with folks who torture, kidnap children as 'leverage' and imprison people without charge indefinitely.

Let me rephrase that, ppj isn't 'associated' with them, he has endorsed their every act.

According to ppj (and bushco logic), ppj should serve LWOP in supermax w/o a trial.

And I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

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sailor (1.00 / 1) (#11)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 08:25:01 PM EST
Huh?

Without debating your incorrect claims, what does that have to do with someone joining the Taliban and  training to fight the US??

And yes you would. I know you.

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Seems Appro to me (none / 0) (#16)
by Molly Bloom on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 10:48:46 AM EST
Joinging with Bushco, being anti-the US constitution, Anti-American values of freedom and liberty, pro monarchy....

Strikes me as an apt comparison.

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An foolish notion:
What airs in dress an gait wad lea'es us,
An ev'n devotion!


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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Molly B - You like poems?? (none / 0) (#17)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 02:52:03 PM EST
I prefer C&W to describe, in general, the Left's feelings about this, and other matters concerning prisoners, GITMO, etc.

"If I had a nickel
I tell you what I'd do
I'd spend it all on candy
and give it all to you..."

Or as others see it...

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Shakesphere

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BTW - Molly (1.00 / 1) (#18)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 02:54:18 PM EST
Laying aside the  various claims...

Why is it that Left in general can not condemn the terrorists acts, especially against women and minorites?????????

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That is so silly and untrue (none / 0) (#20)
by Molly Bloom on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 03:40:15 PM EST
it doesn't deserve a reply. This is a "when did you stop beating your wife" type of question you claim to abhor.

.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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Molly (none / 0) (#21)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 03:52:55 PM EST
Not at all.

It is a very simple straight forward question.

You are just trying to avoid answerung.

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It assumes facts not in evidence (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Molly Bloom on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 04:46:06 PM EST
(I've explained this sort of thing to you before- you must have just forgotten. Happens a lot with you, you might want to have that checked out).

Just for you then...

"the left in general" (whatever this bogeyman of yours might be) has no trouble condemning  terrorist acts. That is not the issue.

What specific acts of terrorism did John Walker Lindh commit? Is the sentence he received out of proportion with the sentences others received? Do you have any evidence that he conspired to shoot women in the back of the head? How about evidence that he wouldn't let women see male doctors?

You show very little knowlege of this case (there is a surprise) or any interest in the concept of justice (another shocker).  Why is it rightwingers in general have no concept of justice? Or evidence?


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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Molly B (1.00 / 1) (#23)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 06:03:46 PM EST
If you can read as well as you think you can, then you know that I was speaking of the "Taliban" not the perp in question.

And the execution described was carried on CBS.. Are you saying CBS would lie??

Now. Show me some of those condemnations you speak of.....

Since you can't answer the previous, please explain why the various women's rights groups haven't regularly and publicly condemned the terrorists position on minority rights, especially  women and gays.

Isn't a failure to condemn a wrong to approve it??

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When did the left not condmen the Taliban? (none / 0) (#25)
by Molly Bloom on Sat Apr 14, 2007 at 07:18:34 PM EST
Dude admit it- you've been eating mushrooms again, haven't you?

When did anyone (other than the Taliban) condone the execution you describe?

Gets back to my "how come rightwingers in general have no concept of evidence or justice


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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