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Ron Paul.... (none / 0) (#13)
by kdog on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 01:33:28 PM EST
is the only one I'd vote for over Hillary.  He's against the occupation and the drug war, 2 of my biggest issues.

Other than him, I'd vote for whatever third party is available, write in Mickey Mouse, or stay home.

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Ron Paul has 2 good positions & that's it (none / 0) (#15)
by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:07:52 PM EST
He is a gold standard nut.

He is anti-choice. Anti- Social Security. Anti- NHC.

He would turn the clock back to the Guided age of the 19th century. He is absolutely wrong for the 21st century.

Protest vote? See above.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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He is a little nuts.... (none / 0) (#16)
by kdog on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 02:27:15 PM EST
but so am I.  Libertarianism has been turning me on more and more....the thought of no public schools and no social security used to scare the crap outta me, these days I'm not so sure.  My niece's elementary school sucks, 3rd grade and they haven't even mentioned Thomas Jefferson, too worried about state tests.  History is a home school subject now with Uncle kdog.  Social Security...I have no faith in Uncle Sam to pay me back in 40 years, I consider it a plain old income tax to keep from going totally mad.  

A more libertarian society just might deliver a more free and more peaceful society...never now until we try.  

Again, I'm not sure of much, but I am sure Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Rudy, Romney, Thompson and McCain all promise the same crooked business as usual.  Occupying Iraq and wanting me arrested.  I'll take a chance on a nut, any nut.....be it Paul, Kucinich, or Kubby.  

Anything but the same old same old...ignoring the real problems; arguing about abortion, immigration, and gay marriage until our ears bleed; and taking care of the cronies.

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I don't think voting for fringe candidates (none / 0) (#17)
by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:37:38 PM EST
will solve problems, only exacerbate them.

SSDI is not in a crises.

As for your niece's public school, why does it suck?  Could it have something to do with cutting taxes which reduces funds, which does effect quality? Have you considered running for the school board?

A libertarian society will deliver us to large corporate interests- it will not be a utopia. We had a "more libertarian society" 130 years ago. It was called the Guilded age. I doubt you would have liked it.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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I think Kdog (none / 0) (#18)
by Deconstructionist on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 04:51:06 PM EST
 is more of a social issue libertarian and not desirious of a new GILDED Age. One thing for sure,  he's not a corporate lapdog.

   As for protest votes, they are  are not intended to solve problems directly  but to record dissatisfaction. I'm not sure how they exacerbate problems in that they essentially are the practical equivalent of not voting but the idea is to let the major parties know basically you both suck so bad I refuse to vote for either of you but the protest vote aspect lets them know it's not just apathy.

 

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I wouldn't have accused Kdog of being a corporate (none / 0) (#19)
by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 05, 2007 at 06:53:34 PM EST
lackey. Which is why I think a protest vote right now exacerbates things. You are basically voting Republican. Like HRC or not, I suspect she would be competent at governance and not an authoritarian.

It will take a Democratic President, and a stronger Democratic majority before we get any real change. Any dilution will simply leave the deadlock. Which is great, if you favor what the GOP has done over the last 25 years. I don't.

I don't know if you have read John Dean's book, Broken Government or not. I recommend it.  Keep in mind, it was written by a former Goldwater Republican.

(thanks for the spelling tip. Don't know how I got it in my head to spell it with a U).

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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We are already.... (none / 0) (#20)
by kdog on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 08:37:15 AM EST
in the midst of the new gilded age....thanks to the Democratic and Republican parties governing for the corporations and lobbies, and not for the people.  Hillary will be no different....or have you forgotten her husband's administration already.  NAFTA comes to mind.  

The mega-corporations of today almost rival the power and influenece of the robber barons.  From my view Molly, we've already been delievered to corporate interests.  Electing a fringe candidate, if nothing else, will throw a wrench in the works....and slow down the sell-out of America.  I view a Dem as a finger in the dyke....I just think it may be better to let the dyke collapse and build a better, stronger one.  If we do nothing, and electing Hillary/Edwards/Obama is doing nothing, we are on a road nowhere.

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Peep this presidential platform..... (none / 0) (#21)
by kdog on Thu Dec 06, 2007 at 10:32:00 AM EST
Steve Kubby

Don't sound like the gilded age to me....sounds like the dawn of the new freedom age.

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This part of the platform is a disaster. (none / 0) (#23)
by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 07:05:15 AM EST
Taxes & Spending

Veto any and all tax increases, new taxes, and unbalanced budgets -- period.
Work to cut spending, splitting resulting surpluses between tax cuts and debt service.
Work to eliminate the federal income tax.
Until the income tax is eliminated, seek annual across-the-board tax cuts through increases to the personal exemption.

Forget NHC. Forget Social Security. Forget doing something about energy. Forget about running the government for the people and look for Corporations to run everything.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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There is a difference between voting for (none / 0) (#22)
by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 10, 2007 at 07:02:57 AM EST
 & electing a fringe candidate. By definition, fringe candidates rarely, if ever get elected.

There are still 2 wings of he Democratic party- a moderate to conservative and a progressive wing.  We don't know what a Democratic president coupled with a stronger democratic majority in 2008 will do. Historically the Democratic  party in that situation to to gravitate towards more progressive policies. We haven't seen that since LBJ an FDR.

I submit to you, the situation can and will get worse if a Republican is elected. Even with a stronger Democratic majority. A vote for a fringe candidate is in effect a vote for a Republican. See Nader, 2000 or Wallace 1968. It came extremely close in 1948 and arguably crippled Truman's 2nd term.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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