And I think that's the case. I think the problem here is the use of two very vaguely defined and hard to measure concepts, race and intelligence.
I think (could be wrong) that scientists are happy to discuss what different genes and their variations do, and what happens in inheritance patterns or to groups that seem to share certain genes.
But do clusters of genes make up races? Probably not. If anything it seems that clusters of shared genes make small related groups of somewhat isolated populations where isolated may be due to geography or religious practices. In a sense it seems clear to me that there is no African race, but I would think it makes sense to discuss various genetically related population groups that come from Africa. Or Europe, or Asia, or South America. And more sense still to talk about people that have gene X or some particular group of genes.
And then there is the question of intelligence which usually does seem to be measured more relative to cultural issues than to some sort of inherent intelligence.
My problem though is that we do claim to be able to measure the intelligence of various animals, and so I suspect that in the long run, we will have various markers that seem to correlate to some inherent intelligence.
I don't think it's true that intelligence is not measurable, though I tend to agree that it's most likely that our current IQ tests are very culturally related.
And when the concepts of race is tossed out, but the concepts of groups of people that share certain gene patterns is included, I think it will be clear that on average some groups that share certain genes are more intelligent than other groups that share certain genes. Perhaps they have more effective myelin coating their neurons. Perhaps nerve cells cluster and self arrange a little better. Perhaps nerve cells fire a little faster.
I don't think differences in some group average should be considered a big deal -- it tells you nothing about an individual.
I also think that whether it is genes coding for intelligence or genes coding for a disease or any other gene, we need strong privacy laws to make sure that information is not used against individuals by insurance companies or employers or schools or anyone.
There is also a battle that can be seen at various liberal blogs this week to make sure this topic cannot be discussed at all, without calling people racists. I think that's a pretty dumb, unscientific, illiberal approach.
Perhaps, just as the stem cell opponents don't want to put taxpayer money into stem cell research, people that feel there can be no discussion of any sort of how intelligence is inherited, created, developed, encouraged, or just differently distributed would be happy if no taxpayer money goes into such research. I'm not sure what impact that might have on Alzheimer's research though.
If there are real differences, that information will come out, and people that are not biologists should be more interested in making sure that such information cannot be used to harm people than in declaring emphatically that there will be no difference. [ Parent ]
What is "justice?" What is "love?" What is "hate?".... What is "race?" What is "intelligence"?
Beyond agreeing about what a word used to describe a concept means, we have the problem that even if we agree upon a definition for the sake of a particular analysis that does not mean we can measure the quantity or degree to which it is present.
IQ tests, for example, clearly measure something important and valuable, but what are they measuring? Is it the innate ability to comprehend and analyze complex abstractions? Is it the developed ability to process information quickly? Is it a comprehensive and organized memory? Is it familiarity with the concepts and knowledge the test-designers have determined should be given the most value? I'd suggest it's all of that and more. I'd also suggest that factors other innate or developed intellectual abilities affect test performance. Confidence, anxiety, desire, apathy and who knows how many other personality traits (for lack of a better term) probably exert influence over performance to a highly significant degree.
Will it ever be possible to design a test capable of singling out innate ability and controlling for all the other variables of performance? I doubt it.
Even if we had no racial, ethnic, social or cultural differences this would be the case. Does that mean that innate intelligence does not exist and vary widely? No. Does it mean that very imperfect measures have no value? No. does it mean we should be very hesitant to label or group people based on these test results. Yes.
We want to understand how the mind works if for no other reason than to develop teaching strategies for assisting people in reaching their fullest potential.
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No one knows anything is my point. [ Parent ]
As an attorney and not a biologist, you could take a leading role in advocating for strong privacy laws, and laws that protect citizens and consumers from "redlining" due to genetic information.
As a software engineer, I can probably help make that technically possible, and I can explain the issues, but in a sense, I do think we need "our progressive liberal attorneys" to help make this the case regardless of what the genetic information is revealing - height, propensity to obesity, vulnerability to various diseases, sexual orientation, or even markers of intelligence.
If folks are willing to stop at saying "no it's not true let's not discuss it" then we might not be able to put the genie back into the bottle. (As an example, a relatively young and privileged Katherine Mangu-Ward, editor at Reason and libertarian, was wrote last January, that there was no such thing as privacy, and that government surveillance cameras should be embraced! A very interesting libertarian point of view. On NPR, one of her examples was quite literally: suppose they had gov't cameras outside of gay bars, everyone would still go in!) [ Parent ]
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