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Please try to be accurate (1.00 / 1) (#49)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:10:45 PM EST
no matter how unusual it is for you. Trust me. You can. But it removes much of your position.

I have never approved of torture. In fact, as I demonstrate in my archived comments in my reply to Jondee, I have long called for "investigate, indict, convict and punish."

I do not consider waterboarding as torture. And as I have also noted, I do not consider sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, acts that supposedly insult their sexuals hangups/mores and religious beliefs.

Waterboarding is the most aggressive of these techniques, and as I have commented in the past, I would use it very selectively.

So your attacks on me are based on your desire to limit all questioning of terrorists and suspected terrorists. Thus you seek to claim that what is not torture to be torture.

But whatever you call any method of obtaining information, that information can be vetted for truthfulness.

The argument against torture should be made on a moral basis. Not that if we do it that justifies them doing it and vice versa. And that somehow protects the troops, because we know the terrorists pay no attention to such things. Not on "the information" can't be believed. All information is always vetted, no matter how obtained.

I suggest you stop your simplistic attacks. That dog doesn't hunt.

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Still hoping against hope (5.00 / 0) (#51)
by Edger on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 06:27:25 PM EST
that one day you'll find someone here stupid enough to think you make any sense, are you?

You've had this problem for years now, ppj.

You don't think it's the lack of stupid people here that is your problem, do you?

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Actually edger (1.00 / 0) (#55)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 07:24:14 PM EST
I have long known that you are beyond help.

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The question went right past again, huh? (5.00 / 0) (#57)
by Edger on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 07:29:34 PM EST
You didn't hear the whizzing sound?

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your post (5.00 / 2) (#62)
by tnthorpe on Wed Nov 14, 2007 at 08:05:05 PM EST
is typical since  most defenders of torture  falsely define away much of what is torture in the real world. So you are defending it, just like Yoo and Gonzalez and all of Bush's enablers in his continuing Iraq catastrophe.

Stop the childish semantic games. Your position is morally bankrupt, intellectually obtuse, and damaging to US interests in the long term.

You make wholly ignorant assertions about my "desire to limit all questioning" based on goddess knows what crystal ball you have next to your monitor.

Give it up!! Torture is wrong, waterboarding is torture. The laws are clear on this. Read them. Read The Administration of Torture by Jaffer and Singh to find out how knee deep in depravity the Bush Administration is. You are wrong to advocate torture in any circumstance.

IT IS NEVER RIGHT TO TORTURE.

It's that simple.

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