I have never approved of torture. In fact, as I demonstrate in my archived comments in my reply to Jondee, I have long called for "investigate, indict, convict and punish."

I do not consider waterboarding as torture. And as I have also noted, I do not consider sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, acts that supposedly insult their sexuals hangups/mores and religious beliefs.

Waterboarding is the most aggressive of these techniques, and as I have commented in the past, I would use it very selectively.

So your attacks on me are based on your desire to limit all questioning of terrorists and suspected terrorists. Thus you seek to claim that what is not torture to be torture.

But whatever you call any method of obtaining information, that information can be vetted for truthfulness.

The argument against torture should be made on a moral basis. Not that if we do it that justifies them doing it and vice versa. And that somehow protects the troops, because we know the terrorists pay no attention to such things. Not on "the information" can't be believed. All information is always vetted, no matter how obtained.