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I Don't Have a Preferred Solution (none / 0) (#5)
by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:13:10 PM EST
I don't have a preferred solution for Darfur.  I'm not suggesting talking by diplomats is enough, nor am I suggesting we try to militarily solve the problem.

I do think it is helpful to raise awareness of what's going on there.  And I'm glad to see the International Criminal Court, which Bush stupidly refused to join, get involved.

As Last Night in Little Rock, who has defended an alleged war criminal in the ICC of Sierre Leone wrote here:

First, the U.S., thanks to President Bush's unsigning of President Clinton's December 2000 signing on to the ICC, is not a party to the "Rome Statute" that  created the ICC. (Go to WhiteHouse.gov and search "International Criminal Court"; see example) The administration has been overtly hostile to the ICC because it goes to any length to veto anything before the UN Security Council without language in it that protects U.S. troops and personnel from the jurisdiction of the ICC.
All the better to facilitate hiding... (none / 0) (#7)
by Bill Arnett on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:32:01 PM EST
...war crimes committed in America's name...

...because it goes to any length to veto anything before the UN Security Council without language in it that protects U.S. troops and personnel from the jurisdiction of the ICC.

It will not be until bush's "veil of secrecy" is lifted that the true damage done us is revealed.

The realm heartbreak here is that we cannot and COULD NOT do anything in Darfur EVEN IF WE WANTED TOO because of the gross misuse of our military power.

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You are wrong again. (none / 0) (#9)
by Wile ECoyote on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 07:11:35 PM EST
Look a a map of Darfur.  The region is about 500 miles from the Red sea, the only way to position troops with out help from Libya or Chad (in a civil war).  We would need to get permission for over flights from the Sudanese gov't.  (see the problem).  Helicopters do not have the range to fly there without refueling at least once.  Where to we put refueling bases in Sadan without Sudanese permission?  What countries will host us?  As long as China will veto anything security council wise, nothing will be done in Sudan.  


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We appear to be saying the same... (none / 0) (#11)
by Bill Arnett on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:58:31 PM EST
...thing, stated slightly differently, so if I'm wrong, so are you.

Where's the fun in that?

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Naw: (none / 0) (#12)
by Wile ECoyote on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 03:08:17 PM EST
You imply we could not do anything because of our problems in Korea, Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan etc.  I am saying even if we were not in any of those places we could not do anything because of the Chicoms actions and the great distances involved.  

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TL (none / 0) (#10)
by Wile ECoyote on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 07:14:25 PM EST
As long as China is getting oil from Sudan, you raise awareness all you want, but nothing will get done.  The have veto power over any resolution.  

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I wonder (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by aw on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 08:34:40 PM EST
if the situation would be different if we were not in debt up to our eyeballs to the Chinese and if we had not squandered our military strength in Iraq and if we had faced the energy crisis head on decades ago.  We might have had more clout to deal with this if we hadn't made so many dumb, short-sighted moves.

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Of course US companies are (none / 0) (#16)
by Wile ECoyote on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 10:26:10 AM EST
not allowed to do business in Sudan.  Maybe they should be allowed to.  Was that a dumb shortsighted move?  

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What does that have to do with anything? (none / 0) (#17)
by aw on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 11:49:20 AM EST
Doesn't matter anyway, corporations do what they want with impunity (see Halliburton, Iraq sanctions).

Sanctions against doing business in Sudan seems like small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, like the last 30 years or so of not addressing energy issues that Carter warned us about.  Think of what we could have accomplished in that time.  We wasted it for short-sighted policies that favor big oil and tax cuts for the wealthy while borrowing to pay for them.  Put that up against our gigantic indebtedness to China (China!).

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Wile (1.00 / 1) (#14)
by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 05:59:23 PM EST
Wile ... You again provide facts and logic.

Shame on you. I mean, really.

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